Roundup of Some “Anonymous Protesters” (#SFWA Bulletin Links)
“Our Warrior Woman protesters and enemies of the adjective (who unlike Ms. Dworkin will not identify themselves) fall into the category of what Right Wing radio talkers call “liberal fascists,” and I cannot disagree…” -Barry Malzberg
The latest issue of the SFWA Bulletin went out last week while I was at BEA, including both my article about cover art and treating women as people, and the Resnick/Malzberg Dialogues, arguing against censorship and suppression. I’m not going to rehash the points I made in my own piece, but one of the many fascinating things I found in the Dialogues was the idea that the people complaining were somehow anonymous cowards sniping from the shadows.
“Anonymous.” You keep using that word…
I’ve rounded up some of the people talking about the problematic aspects of the last few issues of the Bulletin. I won’t talk about the pages and pages of discussion from the SFWA Discussion Forums, but there have been a significant number of complaints there–all of which have people’s names attached. And then you have posts and commentary like these:
- Foz Meadows: Old Men Yelling at Clouds. “I could make a drinking game about this article: take a shot every time the author deliberately highlights the femaleness of the women he mentions, the better to explain how these ladies never said I was sexist…”
- Peter Brett: Why I’m Renewing my SFWA Membership. ” I won’t get into the details of their remarks here, save to say that having read them for myself, I agree they were unprofessional, inappropriate, and not representative of the SF industry as a whole.”
- Amal El-Mohtar: Responses to Sexism in SFWA’s Bulletin. “VP, Regional Directors, hosts of volunteers in @sfwa, all working hard, are made invisible by the effort it took Resnick/Malzberg to wank.”
- Kameron Hurley: Dear SFWA Writers: Let’s Chat About Censorship and Bullying. “Nobody has to agree with you anymore. Nobody is afraid of you anymore. I know this may come as a massive shock to folks used to a position of power, insulated by groups of people who are happy to stroke their egos and soothe their souls.”
- E. Catherine Tobler: Dear SFWA. “In all the complaints that were voiced, there was never a call for censorship. There was never a call for suppression. There was a call for respect.”
- Jess Haines: SFWA, Sexism, Misogyny, and a Call For Change. “Mr. Resnick, Mr. Malzberg, I am not an anonymous voice. I am telling you now: what you wrote was not okay.”
- Katherine Kerr: “Since when is good taste censorship?“
- Jamie Wyman: An Open Letter to John Scalzi. “It’s not okay. And the reactions–these men saying that they are being bullied or censored because they are being called out as sexist bigots–is not okay.”
- Natalie Luhrs: Linkspam, 5/31/13 Edition. “NOPE, NO SEXISM HERE. Also, a lady totally told them it was okay to write this stuff and as everyone knows, one lady speaks for all ladies.”
- Chris Gerwel: The SFWA Bulletin, Censorship, Anonymity, and Representation. “I have a huge problem with Resnick/Malzberg’s attitude. I consider it regressive, out-dated, and condescending.”
- SL Huang: More on SFWA and the Bulletin. “The people you really should be angry with are Resnick, Malzberg, and whatever editor(s) let their article through. They’re the people who let down SFWA. They’re the people who made your public face into sexist douchebaggery.”
- Trisha Lynn: How Jean Rabe screwed the pooch for the SFWA Bulletin and how the SFWA can make things better going forward. “I’m going to instead talk about how the entire mess could have been avoided in the first place. And to do that, I have to throw Bulletin writer/editor Jean Rabe under a bus.”
- Samantha Henderson: Re: SFWA Bulletin #202. “I am not sure if I’m done with SFWA, which is more than its Bulletin and members with 1960s sensibilities.”
- Michael Capobianco: “As a further indication that the R/M dialog doesn’t represent #SFWA, Barry Malzberg isn’t even a member.”
- Silvia Moreno-Garcia: Oh, Bulletin. “In their latest Bulletin rant, Mike Resnick and Barry Malzberg insist, among other things, that they appeared on an issue with a Warrior Woman on the cover. They lie … They appeared in an issue with Sexy Cheesecake Lady. If they can’t tell the difference, maybe that explains a LOT.”
- Catherine Lundoff: “Ongoing egregious sexism in the Bulletin, which is @sfwa’s official membership magazine.”
- Dean Gilbert: “Finally found out what the SFWA controversy is. Wow. Will not be buying any Resnick or Maltzburg books again for sure.”
- Patrick Hume: “As far as Resnick and Malzberg go, well, I imagine it must be very frightening being dinosaurs. Misogynistic, irrelevant dinosaurs.”
- Alisa Krasnostein: “What I see is several issues that have caused offense, incl a ridiculous cover, and no stand from the SFWA in light of complaints.“
- Jenny Thurman: “Why, @sfwa, do you need a task force to determine if your own members should be given professional respect within your own publication?“
- Ross E. Lockhart: To SFWA or not to SFWA? That is the question. “Recently, when it comes to respecting female authors and editors, SFWA has chosen a counterproductive path, giving a platform in the official SFWA Bulletin to a handful of male authors who have decided to wear their sexism outrageously…”
- Ursula Vernon: SFWA — Housebreaking a Puppy or Abusive Relationship? “…let me just say that it’s sad when you finally get to interact with some of the Big Names of science fiction and they turn out to be old men yelling at clouds.”
- A. J. Fitzwater: “I don’t want to join a union that majority men in power think women have no place amongst them. So sad to have a dream destroyed.”
- Ann Kopchik: “I really have no words about the whole #sfwa thing. Except that I’m tired of needing a dick to be respected.”
- Rick Novy: “Those who don’t get the uproar over the SFWA bulletin article, read it replacing words meaning ‘female’ with words meaning ‘black.’“
- Jenn Reese: “SFWA is the most backwards-looking organization I belong to. We can write the future, but we can’t even live in the present.“
- Damien Walter: “The issues with the bulletin are not acceptable, but don’t change my sense of the SFWA as a whole as very hardworking and useful.”
- Kay Holt: “Not saying SFWA is bad. Just that we shouldn’t put up with embedded misogyny just because we otherwise benefit from an organization.”
- Kyle Weems: “Shame on you @sfwa. That’s hideous, backwards, and strangely atavistic for an org that writes about the future.”
- Patrick Nielsen Hayden: “An underreported aspect of being around for a long time: the horror of watching your once-admired elders turn into blithering nincompoops.”
- Ann Aguirre: “I’m sad SFWA published antiquated dogma, then a defense of it. I’m tired of being made to feel like I’m so cute for thinking I can write SF.”
- Rachael Acks: Dear Barry Malzberg and Mike Resnick: F*** You. “If I hadn’t already had a lot of positive experiences with the older male membership of the organization, I would honestly be really wondering about that as well, since the attitude Malzberg and Resnick display with such pride belongs in an era that thankfully ended before I was born.”
- Mary Robinette Kowal: My Very Complicated Reaction to Issue 202 of the Bulletin. “I’m furious, because they can undo all of the good that SFWA does. And like it or not, people are right to be angry. The column is deeply offensive.”
- Kate Milford: Kerfluffle Watch, SFWA Edition: Call Your Detractors Liberal Fascists, Lose the Argument. “…I had learned this much: the authors consider that either those who objected to the cover and dialogue in Issue 200 are at best stupid and at worst censorious.”
- Alma Alexander: The Issue 202 Controversy. “This might involve biting the bullet, calling one tradition’s tenure in the Bulletin a day, and dropping the Malzberg/Resnick conversations … It might even be time to start letting the WOMEN have a turn at having a Conversation.”
- Lilith Saintcrow: I Hope Gandhi is Right. “…this sort of shit makes me so. damn. tired.”
- Tracy Cembor: Genre Drama. “Writers should be respected as partners in the process, and writers should treat one another as professionals and equals.”
- Ferrett Steinmetz: Achievement Unlocked: Women’s Rights Advocate. “You’ve got more work to do. You’ve got to see that calling them ‘lady editors’ is actually diminishing them, that women in chainmail bikinis may be a long tradition but so are grinning Negro lawn jockeys…”
- Steven Saus: What to Do About Sexism In Our Official Publications. “This is a matter of being professional and treating all sf/f authors professionally.”
- Benjamin Rosenbaum: Dear Barry & Mike. “Please cut it out. You’re better than that. Act like the men you want to be.”
- Kelly McCullough: “For the record, the sexist dippery in the recent SFWA bulletin makes this male author & SFWA member very unhappy. Not OK Resnick & Malzberg.“
- K. Tempest Bradford: Demanding the Best. “What needs to happen is that the all of people who belong to and run SFWA need to demand the best of their community. Demand that sexism no longer be treated lightly, that it be called out and put down and not tolerated.”
- Shiloh Walker: I’m no Barbie. “Being a woman very often means you’re going to be insulted, ignored, condescended, treated as insignificant, devalued, viewed as an object, and the list goes on and on and on…we get so blind to the shit that comes our way at times. Maybe the problem is that we carried on with quiet dignity for too long.”
- Harry Connolly: SFWA Bulletin and Sexism in the Genre. “Speech has consequences. Speech sways the opinion of others, and maybe–just maybe–that might have an effect on your life. Resnick has that power; he’s going to have to get used to the idea that others have it, too.”
- Juliette Wade: This Feminist’s Thoughts on SFWA and Cultural Change. “…they were performing a culture that is sorely out of date, and I’m sure they realize that because they are defending their right to do so. Fine (though the context was inappropriate, and I’ll address that below), but they deserve the heat they are getting in response to those ideas.”
- Stina Leicht: Feminist Monday. “This whole thing has been building up for three issues which is why there’s so much noise being made over it … And sadly, this controversy is just the tip of the misogyny iceberg.”
- Amy McLane. Attack of the Liberal Fascists. “It is bad enough to read old men rating the hotness levels of various writers and editors and then getting indignant about being called out on it. It is gross, but you can almost sort of see how those two have gotten to the point of thinking that they’ve earned the right to be gross…”
- Andrea Phillips: Barbie’s Quiet Dignity and Progress. “And that’s just one more drop in what seems like a never-ending stream of sexism.”
- Selma Wolfe: Choose to be Better. “The men that endlessly defend their own sexism could choose not to defend it. They could choose to focus on women’s opinions, rather than their appearances.”
- T. M. Thomas. SFWA in the News. “And it’s why I think, perhaps deluded and defensive and not malicious at first, why the dinosaurs of the SFWA need to offer immediate apologies and stop trying to make themselves the victims of the piece.”
- Lindsey Bieda. “‘Hey, this thing you are doing is shitty’ is not censorship and free speech does not mean freedom from consequences or criticism.“
- Jeaniene Frost: SFWA – Not Today. “I’m glad Scalzi agrees these are legitimate concerns that affect all SFWA members/associates and isn’t falling for the ‘but it’s just whining from a few liberal fascists!’ defense, but I also heave a weary sigh of agreement with author Jenny Truman’s Tweet: ‘Why, @sfwa, do you need a task force to determine if your own members should be given professional respect within your own publication?'”
- Matt Yaeger: Space Sexism. “If you can’t defend yourself without wrapping it up in an irrelevant conclusion that people who disagree with you must be censorship Nazis (hows that for loaded terms?) then you’ve already lost your position.”
- Karina Cooper: Damned If You Do(n’t). “We live in a world where men are judged by the quality and quantity of their bodies of work, and women are judged by their bodies; where men are called writers, authors, artists and creatives, and women are called lady writers and authoresses and ‘beauty pageant beautiful’.”
- Lauren Roy: Being Part of the Solution. “It can make newbies feel quite unwelcome when you see that someone out there — someones who are big names! — think you’re not a writer but a lady writer, as though my gender puts an asterisk beside anything I do.”
- Barbara Barnett: Not that the Intrawebs Need Another Post on the SFWA Kerfuffle. “…the publication of a professional organization should not serve as a megaphone for speech that disrespects a large portion of the organization’s membership.”
- Alisa Krasnostein: Observations from the SFWA Bulletin Fiasco – Part 1. “But here’s what really gets me annoyed. How does freedom of speech, the concept, mean that it only applies to you?”
- J. N. Duncan: “Dear SFWA, it’s not your job to be sexism-free (you can’t), but you do have obligation to pursue awareness and act on it with due-diligence.“
- Alan Baxter: SFWA, Sexism in SFF and Missing the Point. “…members of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America wrote a piece in the official publication, the SFWA Bulletin, that is astounding in its prehistoric approach to gender and dealing with justifiable complaints.”
- Jane Little (Dear Author): SFF Old Guard. “…the official bulletin of the Science Fiction Writer’s Association for the last three months has kind of been an embarrassment to SFWA, at least to those of us looking from the outside in.”
- Ilona Andrews: “I’ve looked at their Bulletin talks and they are out of touch.”
- Ann Laurel Kopchik: My Letter to SFWA. “But the continuing problems with blatant sexism in an official publication of SFWA makes me wonder if I’ll be treated as an equal when I do meet the requirements to join SFWA.”
- Shaun Duke: SFWA, Sexism, and Progress. ” Sexism is … bullshit. We should call it out when we see it, no matter our genders. And we should definitely make sure it no longer uses the voice of the various professional organizations in our field…”
- Thomas Pluck: Everyday Sexism and Giant Space-Dicks. “…if science fiction writers can imagine unheard-of future civilizations, they can unshackle their brains from the ’60s when they were cocks of the walk, and start treating women as equals…”
- M. E. Garber: Are We Still Here? Really? “What woman wants to become part of an organization that objectifies her, and belittles both her and her ability to work and achieve?”
- Liz Argall: Thank you for Your Disappointment. “It’s like other sexist fiascoes that have happened elsewhere. Even if you believe men will always pinch bottoms in elevators, it’s still more useful to be appalled and talk about it.”
- Terra LeMay: “I’m not sure I’ll have time to write a longer post about SFWA, but count me among those members disappointed by the recent Bulletin issues.“
- Cora Buhlert: Revenge of the Girl Cooties. “Sorry, but people saying ‘This is kind of sexist’ is not censorship, sorry.”
- Tansy Rayner Roberts: Why It’s Important. “…this is why it matters that a professional industry journal should not publish a piece, even a deliberately backwards-looking opinion piece, which belittles and patronises women.”
- Eric Zawadski: That SFWA Thing. “There is a commonly-held Internet fallacy that any negative response to your opinions is a form of censorship, and this article is thick with it.”
- Catherine Shaffer: Just Because You’re Not Offended Doesn’t Mean It’s Not Offensive. “Other people being offended by things I am not actually generates useful conversations and improves the world for us all.”
- Kat Goodwin: You Be Ladies Now, Ya Hear! “And voices like Resnick, Malzberg and Henderson are not ignored, nor evil, nor do they have nothing to contribute as members and authors to the field. But because their viewpoints on women are so exclusionary, they can’t be the main voices speaking for the Bulletin or SFWA…”
- Stephanie Leary: The SFWA Bulletin. “…the very fact that Ad Week picked up on the story illustrates why SFWA’s teacup tempest is a big deal: the Bulletin is one of the primary ways the organization presents itself to the public.”
- Larry Kollar: Writing Wibbles. “I find this head-desking incredible. I’m a middle-aged whitebread dude, and I have my issues, but I fracking try to do better.”
- Seanan McGuire: Sexism, the current SFWA kerfuffle, and “lady authors.” “…that’s what happens when the background radiation of your entire life is a combination of ‘men are normal, human, wonderful, admirable, talented, worth aspiring to,’ and ‘bitches be crazy.'”
One final related link, from Laura Resnick. Thoughts from a Different Resnick.
This is just a sampling, and includes SFWA members, past SFWA officers, at least
one three Hugo award winners, editors, aspiring writers, experienced writers, bestselling writers, and more. There’s a lot more out there.
June 2, 2013 @ 11:51 am
I read about that Bulletin in your and Johns blog, but never saw a link to it. What happened that task forces are set up? Every statement concerning the Bulletin sounded like everyone would already know it.
Jim C. Hines
June 2, 2013 @ 11:52 am
Martin – try this as a starting point for what’s happened with the past few issues.
E. Catherine Tobler
June 2, 2013 @ 12:20 pm
Jim, I appreciated your piece in the Bulletin very much.
June 2, 2013 @ 12:25 pm
Thank you, Jim.
Jim C. Hines
June 2, 2013 @ 12:27 pm
Thank you. And I should thank Jean Rabe as well, for inviting me to write it.
Patrick Nielsen Hayden
June 2, 2013 @ 12:34 pm
Also this, while you’re at it.
Jim C. Hines
June 2, 2013 @ 12:41 pm
Added, thank you.
June 2, 2013 @ 12:43 pm
You can ascribe whatever characteristics you want to anonymous people without anyone being able to fact-check it against reality; once you name the people, you open the door to them being able to prove your portrayal as wrong and disingenuous, and bring your own agenda and integrity into question.
I haven’t gotten my copy of the SFWA bulletin yet. Weird dichotomy of anticipation and dread.
June 2, 2013 @ 12:46 pm
Could we also discuss how SFWA didn’t publish articles by lady writers talking about these issues?
June 2, 2013 @ 12:52 pm
Thank you for this wonderful round-up. When I learned about this, I said my piece, as well, here. Speaking as a llama—thank you, Kameron Hurley, and “We Have Always Fought”—I’m horrified to find that an organization I dreamed of joining turned out not one but twoarticles designed to put me in my place.
One article is worthy of speculation, discussion, questions and discourse. Two, especially given the “shut up and look pretty” response of the second, is bullying.
June 2, 2013 @ 1:02 pm
June 2, 2013 @ 1:06 pm
Suzanne, that’s something that I noted in my article as something Jean Rabe and the editorial staff could have done to mitigate the “damage” caused by the two columns in issues #199 and #200.
I hope that’s something that the future editorial staff of the Bulletin does going forward.
June 2, 2013 @ 1:06 pm
Whoops, I meant Sparkymonster!
June 2, 2013 @ 1:14 pm
Oh, so maybe this is why people were asking me, at a con over Memorial Day, why on Earth I would want to join SFWA?
June 2, 2013 @ 1:21 pm
In an ourborous sort of thing, I updated my article to include your list of links at the top. Thanks for including mine, and when I get back home tonight, I’ve got lots of stuff to read.
June 2, 2013 @ 1:48 pm
After some reading: Remind me to be careful what i wish for… i might get it ;-).
June 2, 2013 @ 2:23 pm
Thanks for including me in your roundup, Jim. I hope that effective change goes into place to prevent this from happening in the future, not just in the Bulletin, but elsewhere in the organization.
June 2, 2013 @ 2:41 pm
Obvious douchebaggery aside, how can guys who sling words for a living say “liberal fascists”? Isn’t that inherently contradictory?
But honestly, please to throw that editor, of whatever gender or species, out of a job. He, she, it, or they has failed at their job.
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June 2, 2013 @ 5:25 pm
[…] got a link roundup post on the matter right over here, so I’m not going to go into too much depth on quoting Resnick and Malzberg. Many others […]
Dear Barry Malzberg and Mike Resnick: Fuck you. Signed, Rachael Acks ← katsudon.net
June 2, 2013 @ 5:49 pm
[…] original, non-anonymous complaint about Bulletin 200. Jim Hines has an excellent list of likewise non-anonymous complaints. Ball is in your court, gentlemen. Are you going to Rush Limbaugh it again, or are you going to put […]
June 2, 2013 @ 5:55 pm
The complaints about Resnick and Malzberg (and the bulletin cover that started it all) have never been anonymous. I think that claim actually makes me angrier than their condescending “lady” bullshit. (Excuse my French.)
For the record, my non-anonymous original complaint: http://katsudon.net/?p=12
And my equally non-anonymous current complaint: http://katsudon.net/?p=1845 (warning for salty language)
Jim C. Hines
June 2, 2013 @ 6:06 pm
I hope so too, and you’re very welcome!
Jim C. Hines
June 2, 2013 @ 6:07 pm
I think SFWA does a lot of positive things too. Jaym Gates and Laura Anne Gilman put in a ton of work at BEA this past week, to pick one of many examples. But I can also understand and respect why people would choose to leave, or to not join in the first place, based on crap like this.
Jim C. Hines
June 2, 2013 @ 6:08 pm
That’ll teach you!
June 2, 2013 @ 8:27 pm
*blink* Wasn’t expecting to see my tweet in there. Goodness gracious 🙂
Since I made that tweet, I read some great feedback from Rachel Swirsky, Jaym Gates et al about how frustrating it is to have their good work overshadowed by “men yelling at clouds” (I love that, Foz is awesome) and I feel now there are more people who will represent the needs of women, PoC, LGBT etc. I know how hard they, you, John Scalzi and others work to change perceptions, move things into the future, and I thank you for it.
June 2, 2013 @ 8:56 pm
They’d much rather debate a totally straw version of the years-dead Andrea Dworkin than listen to their living colleagues.
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June 2, 2013 @ 9:34 pm
[…] “rebuttal”/”counter-opinion” piece at Foz Meadows, responding to a Jim Hines commentary on sexism in the field, and I find myself led back to a place I’ve been […]
June 3, 2013 @ 1:35 am
We need a task force to figure out how to implement changes. I mean, I guess why people were like “ack, a committee,” which is often my response as someone asked to *be* on committees, but the other option was “do stuff without having a few people around to vet it” which seemed silly.
Jim, you are, as always, excellent. Thanks for the roundup.
Thanks to everyone who wrote content in it, too, including the content I just grumbled about (in a friendly way, I hope). I’m not able to follow everything right now, especially if I’m trying to keep up with emails and hopefully actually implement triage protocols. Otherwise, I’d try to come to each of you with gratitude personally. But I can’t right now. So. Thanks for caring about this, thanks for writing about this, thanks for being sharp and incisive.
Further Thoughts on SFWA (with links) — Radish Reviews
June 3, 2013 @ 8:30 am
[…] This is by no means intended to be a definitive list–Jim C. Hines has collected a fantastic list of posts in his round-up of “anonymous” protesters. […]
Jim C. Hines
June 3, 2013 @ 9:16 am
Thanks, Rachel – both for the comment, and for all of your work.
June 3, 2013 @ 9:38 am
Thanks for the round-up, Jim, and as ever for your tireless pursuit of dickheadery.
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June 3, 2013 @ 10:06 am
[…] an article by long time SFWA members Barry Malzberg and Mike Resnick by the same. Jim C. Hines rounded up responses from sites near and far if you want to get more into the nitty gritty. And finally, the SFWA […]
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June 3, 2013 @ 10:27 am
[…] there was Mike Resnick and Barry Malzberg being sexist assholes. Jim Hines kindly put together a linkblog on the responses. (Incidentally, John Scalzi stepped up, as SFWA president, LIKE A BOSS.) Andrea Phillips notes the […]
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June 3, 2013 @ 10:36 am
[…] C. Hines has collected many links to members who are critical of the views of Resnick and Malzberg. I have not read them all, […]
Kerfluffle Watch, SFWA Edition: Thanks, Jim Hines! | The Clockwork Foundry
June 3, 2013 @ 11:13 am
[…] I said it in yesterday’s post, and I’ll say it again: the conversation is important. The conversation has merit. And in the interest of keeping the conversation going (and in response to something I mentioned in yesterday’s rant, the fact that the Resnick and Malzberg took issue with their detractors’ purported “anonymity”), Hines is also keeping a roundup of the (not at all anonymous) responses to the Kerfluffle. You can find it here. […]
June 3, 2013 @ 11:22 am
Thank you both for your responses. Jim (if I may), I don’t know that we’ve ever spoken, but thanks for including my post in your roundup, and thank you for your article in response to the cover discussion (which I posted about today). And Rachel, I thoroughly appreciate the way you and the SFWA leadership responded. In particular, I hope people took note of your suggestion on Twitter that more contributors to the Bulletin would really help the situation.
It’s nice to have positives to talk about in the midst of this thing.
June 3, 2013 @ 11:25 am
[…] further reading — by no means complete, but of interest (for a more complete overview, visit Jim Hines’ page): SFWA’s outgoing President Scalzi on the issue; Radish Reviews with more links and thoughts […]
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June 3, 2013 @ 11:29 am
[…] You can read about it here, here, some of the shit that a female SF has to deal with here or Jim Hines lists a bunch of links here. […]
June 3, 2013 @ 11:54 am
That issue hasn’t made it across the Atlantic yet, so I haven’t had a chance to read in detail. But yeah, the general tone of patronage towards women and the sense of not quite being a real person for being female… Not good.
I haven’t commented, mostly due to waiting to see the issue in full, but also because, being European, I will be told by someone that my opinion is not needed, despite my membership.
Thank you for all this hard work, Jim.
June 3, 2013 @ 2:11 pm
As an author who writes crossover romance/SF and romance/paranormals, I can testify that the Good Old Boys Club in SF is alive and well. As an invited panelist at an SF conference I was also invited to sign copies of my books. Five authors were scheduled to sign. When I reached the tables with two other women scheduled, the tables were completely filled by six men–four were not scheduled to sign at that time. Not only would they not make room for the three women, but not one would speak to me when I spoke to them. I had to get one of the conference volunteers to come and set up another table. After that I was treated to mutterings about “bodice rippers” and condescending laughter. So to those men and others like them: You may not like what I write, and I may not like you, but surely there is room for mutual respect in the writing community amongst those who have worked hard to become published in the genre they love.
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June 3, 2013 @ 3:08 pm
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June 3, 2013 @ 4:41 pm
ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL FASCISTS | The Parking Lot Confessional
June 3, 2013 @ 4:58 pm
[…] the whole Bulletin #200, #201, #202 fiasco, let SL Huang fill you in, and then go splash around in this nice link roundup of reactions and rebuttals collected by lovely Jim C. […]
June 3, 2013 @ 5:34 pm
Sit on the table in front of them, the rude bastards. Scuttling off to get another table for yourselves just excuses their behaviour. It should have been THEM going.
Or, you know, spill coffee on them and take your chair back when they go to clean up.
June 3, 2013 @ 10:01 pm
Resnick and Malzberg are using “anonymous critics” as a rhetorical device to make themselves look better. It’s the same reason that some Christian sects claim to be persecuted. If they are aggrieved, then they are the good guys. And look! It derailed the conversation!
For the record, I am not a lady editor. I do not edit ladies. I edit books. I am a book editor. I do, under appropriate circumstances, try to be a lady.
Not that the intrawebs need another post on the SFWA kerfluffle… | Barbara A. Barnett
June 3, 2013 @ 10:43 pm
June 3, 2013 @ 11:37 pm
I believe Jonah Goldberg answered that question at length.
June 4, 2013 @ 7:32 am
If by “answered that question at length” you mean “wrote an outrageously wrong, badly researched, ridiculous book that is rejected by every historian who’s gone beyond a high school survey course in European history and that misinterprets 20th century to the point where he should be forced to reread William L. Shirer and John Tobin for a solid month,” I completely agree.
OTOH, if you seriously think that Jonah Goldberg proved anything by that book beyond his own stupidity, I strongly recommend going to the nearest assisted living center and actually interviewing a World War II veteran.
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June 4, 2013 @ 7:32 am
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June 4, 2013 @ 7:34 am
I would have told them, to their faces, that they were not scheduled to sign. Then I would have demanded, loudly and publicly, that the gophers remove them and their books from the table space while the people who were actually scheduled to sign did so. That sort of conduct is outrageous and has no place at all in fandom.
June 4, 2013 @ 8:17 am
Yeah, that’s probably the better option. Less satisfying to my petty sense of vengeance, but more worthwhile in the long run. Sounds like where-ever Tess was at had useless con managers, though – perhaps keeping a watch list of places that engage/excuse bad behaviour against their invited guests (even when it’s by other guests) would encourage them to lift their game?
Jim C. Hines
June 4, 2013 @ 9:24 am
FWIW, I’m always glad and grateful when you share your opinions and your perspective.
Jim C. Hines
June 4, 2013 @ 9:26 am
So. Much. Facepalm.
I would like to formally apologize for the twits in my genre, and to tell you that I’d be happy to share a signing table with you any time.
Jim C. Hines
June 4, 2013 @ 9:27 am
Thanks, Kate 🙂
My Letter to SFWA | Ann Laurel Kopchik
June 4, 2013 @ 11:56 am
[…] If you’re not familiar with the issue, Jim Hines has a darn good list of links. […]
June 4, 2013 @ 11:57 am
Wanted to stop by and thank you again, Jim. Coming back and seeing even more people getting involved….? Yeah. Makes me proud. 🙂
And thank you for linking to my post. It’s opened up quite the dialogue on my blog.
SFWA’s Resnick and Malzberg AKA Old Men Yelling at Clouds | Roqoo Depot
June 4, 2013 @ 12:31 pm
Are We Still Here? Really? | Everyday Magic | M. E. Garber
June 4, 2013 @ 1:46 pm
[…] of links to follow to your heart’s content. See a tally of who’s saying what, where by Jim C. Hines. Finally, an image of the cover itself is available […]
The Most Recent SFWA Kerfuffle | The World Remains Mysterious
June 4, 2013 @ 6:14 pm
[…] rely on someone else’s summation of events (including this one!) but decide for yourself. Jim Hines has put together a list of some of the commentary. If you’re a SFWA member, come on over to the forums and take a look. If you don’t […]
Ann Kopchik (@amergina)
June 4, 2013 @ 6:31 pm
Thanks for continuing to fight the good fight, Jim. I’m very grateful for this and your past posts on sexism.
Thank you also for including my tweets and post, though I feel a bit daunted being listed with so many people I greatly admire…
June 4, 2013 @ 7:35 pm
Strictly speaking as a reader, I gotta say that these links have opened up a whole new list of authors I’d like to explore, as well as added a number of names to my DO NOT BUY BECAUSE THEY SUCK list. I appreciate it and the links very, very much.
Comprehensive? | michaelgreenhut
June 4, 2013 @ 8:21 pm
Clarifying My Call for Change in the SFWA » The Blog of Jess Haines
June 4, 2013 @ 11:02 pm
[…] former SFWA President Russell Davis, well. You wonder why people are upset? Really? Even with such a comprehensive list of all the posts about why people are upset readily available (thank you, Jim Hines), most of them explaining it better than I did in my […]
Revenge of the Girl Cooties or Do we need a different writers organisation? | Cora Buhlert
June 4, 2013 @ 11:04 pm
[…] Jim Hines has got a comprehensive round-up of posts and reactions here. If like me you don’t get the actual magazine, Nathalie of Radish Reviews has posted some […]
Thank you for your dissapointment. SFWA bloggedness
June 5, 2013 @ 2:36 am
[…] you for your disappointment, your outrage, your eloquence, your passion around the Bulletin debacle. By taking the time to articulate your disappointment you help make SFWA a better organization. I […]
Jim C. Hines » Miscellaneous Thoughts on the Sexism Mess
June 5, 2013 @ 9:31 am
[…] Roundup of Some “Anonymous Protesters” (#SFWA Bulletin Links) […]
June 5, 2013 @ 10:08 am
So, when is the Two Minute Hate scheduled? I surely wouldn’t want to miss out on getting my hate on.
Most of the folks quoted above I’ve never read. I did however just finish reading a series by one of them, and all I can say is it was fine piece of feminist progressive romance masquerading as SF. Of course, there wasn’t a single decent, normal traditional human man amongst all the main, secondary, or tertiary characters. Plenty of upstanding LGBT (well, no T).
Here’s a cluebat, free of charge, for you folks. There are a LOT of SF readers out there who are looking simply for enjoyable escapism. Try writing that instead of attacking one another.
Jim C. Hines
June 5, 2013 @ 10:13 am
Ah yes, I saw that Mr. Day had cribbed my blog post, and I wondered when the trolls would arrive.
You Be Ladies Now, Ya Hear! — The SFWA Bulletin Dust-up | The Open Window
June 5, 2013 @ 2:39 pm
[…] http://www.jimchines.com/2013/06/roundup-of-some-anonymous-protesters-sfwa-bulletin-links/ […]
Geeking Out About… » Trisha’s Take: How Jean Rabe screwed the pooch for the SFWA Bulletin and how the SFWA can make things better going forward
June 5, 2013 @ 3:18 pm
[…] ETA: For some links and commentary on this issue, check out this list which Jim Hines compiled. […]
The SFWA Bulletin | Stephanie Leary
June 5, 2013 @ 3:35 pm
[…] on the task force are sensible, and I think now that the publication’s problems have been quite thoroughly dissected, things will get […]
June 5, 2013 @ 3:45 pm
Thank you for linking to my post (I’m Shaun Duke, in case everyone who sees this is confused). I find it interesting how the quote you used clearly imagines sexism as some kind of disembodied entity (a demon of sorts) that should be exorcised. That wasn’t how I intended to say it, but I like it.
Anywho. Thanks for linking mind and all the others. I appreciate it 🙂
Jim C. Hines
June 5, 2013 @ 3:48 pm
You’re very welcome, and thank you for the post!
I’ve been trying to pull lines that are both representative and “punchy,” for lack of a better word. It’s not my intention to misrepresent anyone’s position in any way, so if you or anyone else feels like I’ve done so, please say the word.
(I don’t think that’s what you’re saying in your comment, but I want to be as clear as possible on this.)
June 5, 2013 @ 11:17 pm
Another link for the fire:
Comparable to your regendering of cover art, this looks for complementary language to the now-infamous phrase “lady editors”
June 6, 2013 @ 9:56 am
Oh, not at all. I think you picked a good quote and it represents my thoughts well enough. I just thought it was strange the way I seemed to represent myself as talking about a disembodied sexism demon.
SFWA: Sexist pigs? - SLUniverse Forums
June 6, 2013 @ 11:26 am
June 6, 2013 @ 12:08 pm
June 6, 2013 @ 1:06 pm
You blew up my blog. 🙂
Thanks for the inclusion. There is a lot of good discussion going on. I feel bad for these three authors (and for that matter whatever artist did the cover portrait,) because I really feel it was the Bulletin’s responsibility. I hope that they can understand where much of the frustration is coming from, that it was seen as part of larger problems in the industry, that the context of the use of the art rather than the art itself was a great part of the issue. It’s about having organizations that are inclusionary, young and old, male and female, etc. I think SFWA has always tried to be that and will continue to do so.
Jim C. Hines
June 6, 2013 @ 1:36 pm
Honestly, I think there’s some shared responsibility here.
I love John, but I do think he flubbed up by not reading the articles more closely. Likewise, I think Jean is an awesome human being, but the editor is responsible for the content of the publication. And I do think as writers we need to take responsibility for our words.
But you’re right that much of the reaction is because these were symptoms of a larger, ongoing problem. I think a lot of people are having trouble with that point, but I’m hoping as the conversation moves forward, that that’s the direction it moves, if that makes sense.
Science Fiction and stereotypes | Contact – Infinite Futures
June 6, 2013 @ 11:27 pm
[…] issues. Some of this is explained by E. Catherine Tobler and a list of links was compiled by Jim C. Hines and his, Miscellaneous Thoughts on the Sexism Mess. Many authors stepped forward and told of their […]
June 6, 2013 @ 11:33 pm
Mr Day??? I don’t know to whom you’re referring, but then, I didn’t pay a whole lot of attention to the link chain that led me here.
That said, I have to wonder when so many luminaries (okay, mostly hope to be luminaries) in Science Fiction became so embarrassingly close minded and hostile to free expression and diversity of thought.
I do appreciate you taking the time to catalog those who have expressed such liberal attitudes (you may choose to read the sarcasm that would reference classical liberalism, or the straight up modern sense). I may refer to it in the future when considering whether or not to read an author unfamiliar to me.
Unpacking the sexism in the SFWA Bulletin » Saucy Goose Press
June 7, 2013 @ 10:23 am
[…] The article I’m most connected to right now is this one which is an overview of the recent troubles with the Science Fiction Writers of America (SFWA) group and their quarterly newsletter. In a nutshell, an entire calendar year’s worth of issues contained material which was demeaning to some of its members. (If you need more detail, go read my article and some of the other articles in this list of links.) […]
Galactic Suburbia is 82 | Randomly Yours, Alex
June 7, 2013 @ 6:46 pm
[…] Hines curates a massive list of protest blogs/tweets on the issue (though as he himself makes clear this is not a comprehensive collection of links to the entire […]
Girl Cooties, or Old Men Behaving Badly | Blue night. Black iron. Golden rope.
June 7, 2013 @ 7:26 pm
[…] Jim Hines, unthreatened Power Male that he is, has links to many other rebuttals here. […]
My Dad Yelling At Clouds | Aliquot
June 9, 2013 @ 4:29 am
[…] been obsessed with the recent SFWA kerfuffle. I’m not a member. I even feel a bit self-conscious describing myself as an aspiring member. […]
Boycotts + the SFWA BulletinBullshit ’13 (Title Inspired by RaceFail ’09) | Should be Dissertating
June 10, 2013 @ 11:35 pm
June 11, 2013 @ 7:22 pm
To summarize: You haven’t read the book and have no intention to.
A Positive Outlook – On Sexism in SF/F | Clare L. Deming
June 11, 2013 @ 8:17 pm
[…] to find the cover art in question or all of the articles. Jim C. Hines has a nice summary of links here, but it centers around accusations of sexism in the SF/F publishing industry over the course of […]
Controversies, the Community and the SFWA | Stuff and/or Junk
June 11, 2013 @ 9:56 pm
[…] that it’s something that needs dealing with in this day and age. Jim Hines compiled a not-quite-comprehensive list of the issue and responses. John Scalzi as outgoing president of SFWA made an official statement owning up to the faults that […]
Science fiction, gaming, and men who need to grow up « Jeffrey Ricker
June 12, 2013 @ 10:08 am
[…] there’s the whole dust-up among the Science Fiction Writers of America and the recent poor choices made in their newsletter. For the record, that link is to a compendium much of the backlash. The debacle is so bad even […]
Outrage in the sexism community » Butterflies and Wheels
June 12, 2013 @ 1:18 pm
[…] issues provoked blistering attacks from authors online, with some going so far as to withdraw their membership of the […]
Boycotts + the SFWA BulletinBullshit ’13 (Title Inspired by RaceFail ’09) | Psych Scribe
June 12, 2013 @ 8:22 pm
Personal, Professional, Official? Standards of Professionalism in SFWA | The King of Elfland's Second Cousin
June 13, 2013 @ 3:36 pm
[…] Since that post went live, I have watched the Internet (or at least our genre corner of it) explode with fury: directed at Resnick/Malzberg, directed at Bulletin editor Jean Rabe, directed at SFWA, directed at SFWA’s leadership, directed at critics, directed at men, directed at women, directed at young people, directed at old people. Watching the cultural debate unfold across blog posts, comment threads, forum discussions, and tweets, it often seems that the only ones who have escaped unscathed are dogs, cats, and certain species of tropical fish. For a decent sense of the rhetoric flying around, I recommend Jim C. Hines’ link roundup post. […]
On Genres and Fandoms | It's A Great Day For America...
June 13, 2013 @ 8:40 pm
[…] than I have covered this, therefore I don’t have to. Seriously, if you are really interested Jim C Hines did a listing linking to most of the blogs on it that I had […]
Sexism in writing & publishing: a romance perspective | Jessa Slade
June 14, 2013 @ 3:45 am
The linkspam is the enemy of the good (14 June 2013) | Geek Feminism Blog
June 14, 2013 @ 9:00 am
[…] Roundup of Some “Anonymous Protesters” (#SFWA Bulletin Links) | Jim C. Hines: Linkspam of reactions to a grossly sexist article in the SFWA Bulletin. […]
Final Thoughts on the SFWA Thing, and Additional Linkspam
June 14, 2013 @ 11:07 pm
[…] Jim Hines has a great list of links for those interested, but I shall make particular note of: […]
June 17, 2013 @ 11:35 pm
Long time lurker, first time commenter. Thanks so much for this list. I had a couple free hours the other day, and I read every single post (and most of the comments) and now I have, at LEAST 25 new to me authors to try out. So YAY! Thanks Jim! Also, so excited for your new book. 😀
Jim C. Hines
June 18, 2013 @ 7:52 am
I haven’t read all of these authors’ fiction, but the stuff I have read has been excellent!
Emma Newman – Any Other Name | A Fantastical Librarian
June 18, 2013 @ 3:31 pm
[…] larger task waiting just for her. I love the fact that gender equality – something so relevant to current discussions in the SFF community – plays such a large part in Cathy’s motivations. However it did raise the question, are […]