Fact-Checking for Dummies. And Breitbart.
Several folks have pointed me to the article SJWs Are Purging Politically Incorrect Sci-Fi Authors From Bookstores over on Breitbart, where my name is mentioned in connection with allegations that the ISIS-like liberals are working to censor works and authors who “represent something that falls outside a rigid, intolerant ideology.”
The article opens with the claim:
“File 770, the blog of three-time Hugo Award winner Mike Glyer, reports that bookstore owners in Toronto are being approached with negative information about authors who participated in the Sad Puppies Hugo Awards campaign.”
Breitbart doesn’t provide a link, but the “report” in question was actually a comment on the File770 site, from user Dexfarkin, who said:
“…someone is sending out Jim Hines roundup of the SP/RP affair. As a result, they are stopping making orders for Correia, Wright, Torgersen, Williamson and others of the worst broadcasters who have supported homophobic statements. I would assume the originator is part of Toronto’s gay community (which was oddly intertwined for years when Baka Books and the GLAAD bookstore were next door). It’s only the independents that I’ve heard so far, but if it hits Book City or Indigo, that could be a big repercussion.”
In other words,
Fair enough. A comment can be a good starting point, and I’m sure there was further research to verify the comment and do some fact-checking before running to the internet to denounce the horrible SJWs, right?
Yeah, not so much. No links, no verification, none of the simple steps that could have saved this piece from being such a delusional, masturbatory trainwreck.
Let’s start with that Jim Hines roundup of the SP/RP affair. It’s a blog post I did in June of last year, called, “Puppies in Their Own Words.” You know what words never appear in that article? “Williamson” and “Wright.” That’s right, my roundup post is being used to try to destroy the careers of authors who…um…weren’t actually included in the article.
To be fair, Wright’s name does come up in the comments. Williamson? He doesn’t show up at all.
But hey, maybe there’s something here, right? Let’s do a little more digging. Commenter Dexfarkin posted a follow-up:
“I don’t have any real proof either. I was at a local Meetup just before Christmas when the Hugos came up and one of the people there was a shop owner. He mentioned that he’d gotten a printout of a round up (that sounded a lot like Jim C. Hines) which had the various homophobic parts highlighted and a request to not stock the authors responsible and he was going to do it. I was down in Seekers this week and the guy at the cash mentioned hearing the same thing from another store owner…”
Other commenters note:
- “Bakka Phoenix had Larry Correia’s latest in its new arrivals section as of Saturday.” (Source)
- “I passed by a Toronto Indigo (Yonge & Eglinton for the Torontonians) on my way from the dentist to work this morning. Two titles each for Wright (Tor) and Correia – in both cases their latest hardcover and their latest paperback.” (Source)
- ETA: Toronto bookstore Bakka-Phoenix posted on Facebook, “…from a Canadian perspective, Breitbart looks more like an outlet for the borderline-lunatic fringe than a credible news source … But if you were wondering, we can assure you that we ourselves carry many books we find personally or politically reprehensible … We’re in the business of selling books. Good books. Bad books. Titles some people love; titles others hate enough to throw across the room. Some books will transform readers minds and lives and be remembered for decades. Others will be forgotten immediately upon reading (or even partway through). We don’t have to like a book, its author, or its message in order to sell it.” (Source)
This is what rates an article on Breitbart. “Hey, a commenter on the internet said that some unnamed person is talking to a couple of Toronto bookstores and showing them what some of the Sad/Rabid Puppies have said and asking them not to stock a said puppies. Oh, and yeah, there’s no actual evidence of it having any effect.”
For bonus points, Bokhari goes on to say:
“The commenter is, of course, incorrect to suggest that the authors have made homophobic statements. Williamson is a self-proclaimed libertarian, and there are no records of Correia or Torgersen making controversial statements about homosexuality … The only one who could plausibly face such an accusation is Wright, who has described homosexuality as an ‘aberration.'”
Oh, sure. I mean, Wright is also the one who said “I have never heard of a group of women descended on a lesbian couple and beating them to death with axhandles and tire-irons, but that is the instinctive reaction of men towards fags,” but it’s not like that’s homophobic, right? (Screenshot) And yeah, Torgersen’s best-known attack against John Scalzi was to imply that Scalzi might not be straight, but what’s homophobic about suggesting the worst thing a man can be is anything but straight? (Ironically, Torgersen’s homophobic remark is documented in my Puppies roundup post from last year.)
Bokhari wraps up his article by pointing to the “persecution” of Theodore Beale, who was banned from Goodreads.
“Politically unorthodox authors are also facing persecution on Goodreads, the foremost social network for book readers. The controversial author Vox Day was recently banned from the site after creating a “Rabid Puppies” group on the site…”
This brings us full circle back to File770, which recently reported on Beale getting booted from Goodreads. Not as a result of Evil SJW Conspiratorial Badthink, but because Beale clumsily attempted to manipulate Goodreads ratings by targeting the books of his enemies. (Screenshot 1, 2, 3)
On the bright side, as far as I can tell,did manage to spell his name correctly. So he got that much right, at least.
January 25, 2016 @ 11:03 am
January 25, 2016 @ 11:14 am
Man, I wouldn’t have joked with you about the beard if I had known you were so powerful. You’re big in Canada, Jim (that needs to be a t-shirt right the fuck now!). So powerful (writes Hines erotica with that line prominently figured).
January 25, 2016 @ 11:20 am
Depressingly familiar if you read a lot of right-wing material. “The powerful feminazi/liberal/SJW clique has repressed my work!” is not a new charge.
January 25, 2016 @ 11:22 am
“Williamson is a self-proclaimed libertarian”
I have no idea what Williamson is supposed to have said but there’s no shortage of libertarians who are social conservatives. So as an argument, that proves nada either way.
Jim C. Hines
January 25, 2016 @ 11:40 am
My Beard conquered Canada last week.
January 25, 2016 @ 11:51 am
Why Jim, it almost sounds like you’re saying that being loud in your intolerance of people who are not like you leads people who are not intolerant to not want anything to do with you.
Who would have guessed?!
January 25, 2016 @ 12:00 pm
It is their *business model* not to check facts. They work for attention only: truth, moderation, respect are of no concern.
January 25, 2016 @ 12:12 pm
Must be nice being the victim of a vast leftist conspiracy. Meanwhile I can’t do anything about my own lack of professional success except take responsibility. Like a schlub.
January 25, 2016 @ 12:15 pm
That was going to be my question. What does being Libertarian have to do with being not homophobic? Absolutely nothing, that’s what.
January 25, 2016 @ 12:25 pm
Stewart, you sound a lot like one of those intolerant people who are constantly yelling about how other people are being intolerant toward your intolerance. Because when you are intolerant, it’s just the opinion you’re entitled to have and everyone who calls you on it are being big old intolerant meanie heads.
We do not have to tolerate bigotry. Historically, doing so leads to very bad things. If “people who are not like you” includes people who are racist, sexist, ableist, homophobic, transphobic, or anything else that puts down and tries to dehumanize other people, then yes, I am absolutely intolerant of that crap. Because it’s not the sort of thing anyone should tolerate.
Jim C. Hines
January 25, 2016 @ 12:45 pm
I could read Stewart’s comment in a couple of different ways, and I’m hesitant to guess which interpretation was intended. Hopefully he’ll swing through and clarify.
January 25, 2016 @ 12:45 pm
cen·sor·ship. ˈsen(t)-sər-ˌship. n. The act of encouraging someone to not purchase a third party’s products by presenting accurate, in-context information about the third party.
I can’t think of anything more dangerous to our freedoms than people sharing information with each other.
Craig Laurance Gidney
January 25, 2016 @ 12:54 pm
That ‘article’ is so distorted that it’s delusional.
January 25, 2016 @ 1:12 pm
Sorry, I forget that sarcasm doesn’t translate well on the Internet.
I 100% agree with Jim (and you, Celestine)! I understand (in this context) why that might have been misinterpreted, though.
Stripped of sarcasm, my post would read something like:
I wish I could say I’m astonished that the SP/RP crowd thinks people don’t like them because of a leftist conspiracy instead of because they constantly go out of their way to alienate everybody, but I’m not.
January 25, 2016 @ 1:47 pm
“delusional” and “article at Breitbart” are synonyms.
January 25, 2016 @ 2:29 pm
@Alan. We’ll have to add that one to the new Devil’s Dictionary
January 25, 2016 @ 2:47 pm
Obviously you need to find some Feminazis to antagonize, so they can try to get your work banned and thus get your work in the right wing press. Now if only there was an “antagonize a Feminazi” service.
January 25, 2016 @ 3:09 pm
Not around here it didn’t. AS the Festival du Voyageur* approaches, all the men are looking like lumberjack in preparation for its beard and beard-growing contests. Your effort is, um, good quality but not that good. 🙂
That’s okay. We Manitobans are generous. You can have Toronto and we won’t fight you for it.
*Mid-winter festival also best known for filling the city with snow sculptures. Voyageurs were those guys who went off fur-hunting in the wilderness in the early days, when the fur trade was Canada’s claim to fame.
January 25, 2016 @ 3:33 pm
Isn’t that Breitbart?
January 25, 2016 @ 4:24 pm
To be completely fair, Breitbart also spelled “Toronto” correctly. And not every arthropod on the planet can do that.
January 25, 2016 @ 4:41 pm
I haven’t really read any of Williamson, but I suppose a claim could be made that someone who really followed the implications of libertarianism shouldn’t care what people do in regards to their sexuality. So if someone claimed to be libertarian and was homophobic, I think a charge of hypocrisy would be quite fair and obvious.
However, you are right, self-proclaimed libertarians do tend to be hypocritical and rather selective about what liberties they actually show interest in defending. Besides, following the full implications of libertarianism leads to a failed society and anarchy anyway. So I’m pretty content thinking either way they are wrong regardless of what labels they claim for themselves. 🙂
January 25, 2016 @ 5:37 pm
I love that they made it be a conspiracy in Canada. Because they figured no one would check what was actually going on in Canada. (Not that they check on anything ever anyway.) To many Americans, Canada is like Narnia. There’s cold and snow and they drink beer (true,) and there’s no socialized healthcare (false,) or brown people (false,) they only speak English (false,) and there’s no marriage equality (false for the last eleven years.) Every time something happens legislatively that authoritarians dislike, they claim they’ll move to Canada, where the legislation they dislike has already been in effect for years. It’s a lovely country but if we Americans are going to invoke it, it always sounds like we believe the woodland creatures talk to people over there or something.
But seriously, Jim, you have now been elevated, big time. Breibart deigned to smear lowly you. Why Breibart is bothering with books at all currently, I don’t know; I guess someone offered them money or it’s the gamer connection. So you get to be a captain of the imaginary conspiracy to destroy white men. Congrats.
Also read Unbound — really interesting. You packed an epic fantasy into a contemporary procedural series. Looking forward to Revisionary.
January 25, 2016 @ 5:37 pm
“You have a right to be homosexual (or black), but I have a right to be prejudiced against you and to fire you and to refuse to serve you,” is awful, but I believe internally consistent. Which describes a lot of libertarian policies.
January 25, 2016 @ 5:46 pm
And now I have the image of a bunch of old white men in cowled robes hunched over a weird glow chanting in unison.
Canada! Canada! Canada! We stand on guard for thee, oh Canada! Come and grant us our power!
And a being made of maple syrup rises from the glow to tower over them in glistening sugary glory.
“What’s up, eh?!”
In the background the wailing of Mitsu, Dion and Murray echoes and scales horribly.
“I come for you!”
…. Ok. I’mma go sit in the timeout corner now. (lol)
January 25, 2016 @ 6:54 pm
Not sure what it says about me but my default mode for comments on the internet is sarcasm…reading and writing.
January 25, 2016 @ 6:56 pm
Well, that’s simple. Just write a piece offering your vast and erudite wisdom on what women and feminists should *really* do so as to appeal to people of importance such as your own white male conservative self. And then take the resulting comments as sure signs of the bigotry and prejudice of the poor darlings you’re just trying to *help*…
January 25, 2016 @ 7:43 pm
Dimbart because there is nothing bright about any of them. These guys are not happy unless they can see themselves as set upon by the all-powerful SJW army. Their life must be so sad and they just want to make the rest of us that sad also.
January 25, 2016 @ 7:49 pm
Tr’annuh. That’s how it’s pronounced.
I’m not sure we should give them credit for spelling, though — they probably get those wiggly red lines under words on their computer boxes.
January 25, 2016 @ 7:52 pm
Everyone at Breitbart has girlfriends in Canada.
No, really, they do! The girls, um, herd moose and farm maple syrup and wear those Mountie outfits. Totally Canadian.
January 25, 2016 @ 8:00 pm
Lenora, is there any portion of Canada Jim’s beard could conquer? I mean, you guys have frozen tundra and 10 feet or meters or whatever of snow year-round, and moose stampedes and maple syrup floods… I’m guessing that requires Mighty Beards.
I was gonna suggest Vancouver and environs might be conquerable by Jim’s Beard, but I’m sure it’s all over hipsters who have giant unruly beards riding fixies and making artisanal fusion cuisine pickled moose with Canadian bacon.
January 26, 2016 @ 12:02 am
I think the explanation is actually pretty simple. For many years those authoritarians have heard more liberal people in the US threatening to move to Canada when they dislike the direction the country is headed. It apparently never occurred to them that those people may have chosen Canada for more than just its proximity, so they just started saying the same thing when they were upset
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January 31, 2016 @ 7:52 am
Jim, I just wanted to say thank you for providing researched essays with linked sources for easy reference when trying to determine where the truth lies.
February 1, 2016 @ 9:41 pm
Are you trying to prevent Jim from successfully taking over Toronto? Because really. He can have it.
(Actually, I like Toronto just fine. OTOH, if it belonged to Jim, he’d have lower medical insurance needs …)