Judging Other Writers
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Today’s musing was sparked by Catherine Hellisen’s post here wherein she talks about how selling a book to a major publisher does not, in fact, make you better than someone who sold to a small press or self-published or writes in that other genre or even that person who sold to Publish America.
All of which is absolutely true.
That said, there are assumptions I can and do make about stories based on where and how they were published…
- If your book is published by DAW (my publisher) or another major publisher, I assume that someone liked your book and thought it would sell well enough to offer you thousands of dollars up front for the right to publish it.
- If your book is published by a small press, I assume someone liked it and thought it would sell well enough to invest their time, money, and resources in publishing it.
- If your book is self-published, I assume you can finish a novel manuscript book and follow the instructions to upload it to Amazon, B&N, etc.
- If your book is published by a vanity press, I assume you can finish a novel book.
- If your book is published by Publish America, I assume you can finish a novel book and either have no interest in doing any research whatsoever, or else you simply refuse to listen when others share their experience and warnings.
There are others, of course. For example, in categories one and often two (depending on which small press), I assume the book was probably edited, professionally typeset, and so on.
I believe these are reasonable assumptions. None of them are judgments on an author or his/her particular story. Nowhere do I assume that your book bites the wax tadpole.
However, from my own reading experience, I know that the odds of me tossing a self-published or micropress book aside unfinished are much higher than the odds of doing the same with a book from a major publisher. Does that mean I can pick up a random self-published book and declare it to be crap without reading? Of course not. But if you give me a choice between a Tor book and a self-published book, then all else being equal, I’ll pick up the Tor. Because historically, those books have been more enjoyable to me.
Does getting a deal with Tor make you a better person? Not at all. Tor publishes assholes just like any other publisher.
Does it make you a better writer? Nope. Writing better stories makes you a better writer.
But are my odds of finding good stories higher with a major publisher’s titles than with Publish America’s list? Without a doubt.
Any questions?
I’ll close with one last judgment. If you say “There’s no such thing as a good or bad story; it’s nothing but personal preference!” then I’ll judge you to be either naive or silly, and sentence you to thirty days mining slush for a publisher.
Discussion and debate are welcome, as always.
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ETA: Tweaked the wording for my assumptions, since “book” is more inclusive and accurate than “novel.” Thanks, serialbabbler.
UnravThreads
June 29, 2011 @ 10:37 am
In a lot of cases, there isn’t all that much difference between prices for major releases and self published. Using Amazon as an example, I could get a major release from Tor UK for £4, or spend £3 on a self published or less prominently published book. The chances are that, as you implied, the Tor UK book will be at least physically better quality. Of course, that falls over easily as Tor US have rather poor quality printing. Ahem. But yes, I know I would be more likely to enjoy a Tor US book than one from a smaller press.
At the same time, though, a publisher like Tor US will have gotten some of the better authors. They exist to sell medium to high quality fiction, and that is what you’d expect from them. A smaller publisher will likely work mostly within the low to medium, either in terms of ‘post-processing’ (Editing, typesetting, printing etc) quality or the writing itself.
I think it’s a case of Brand Awareness. Given the choice between a bottle of Coca-Cola and a store’s own brand they’ve not had, many will choose the former. It’s familiar, it’s known. That applies, in my opinion, to publishers too. If Tor US is known to you, you’ll go with them for a new book more often than a new (To you) publisher.
At least, that’s how I see it. My grasp of economics and marketing is sorely lacking.
Anita K.
June 29, 2011 @ 10:41 am
I think your assumptions and points are pretty fair here, with one caveat: there are some small-press books that fill specific niches, and if what I want is something from that niche, I’ll take the small-press book from a press I know and like over the major press book. (If that makes sense.)
Mind you, I have my own personal hierarchy within publishers, based on what I’ve read and liked or hated in the past. Not going to name names, but there are definitely publishers or publishing lines that I will check out from the library without even reading the blurb, because I know I will probably enjoy the book, vs. others where I have to read the blurb and the reviews and a few pages of the first chapter before I’ll check it out. (I don’t get to the buying stage until I’ve checked it out from the library first, or for about four specific authors where I will buy the book immediately because I know I will want to own and reread it.)
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 10:51 am
Absolutely, and there’s a tremendous range within the small press category. There are some publishers I trust to put out a product as good or better than anything from the major houses.
The only real difference in my assumptions between small and large press is that I assume the large publisher paid an advance up front. (Some small presses pay advances too, but it’s not something I assume.)
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 10:53 am
With e-books, sometimes the self-published works are significantly cheaper, too. I can put out Goblin Tales for $2.99, and there’s no way DAW is going to match that at this time.
UnravThreads
June 29, 2011 @ 11:02 am
Oh, I agree completely. I’ve seen many eBooks on Amazon for £1.00 or less, but again, it’s still a risk that people might not want to take.
Baen have been very clever with the ebook thing, though. Very clever.
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 11:05 am
Oh, yes. Baen has been rocking e-books pretty much from day one.
UnravThreads
June 29, 2011 @ 11:06 am
Jim, sign with Baen. I want your books with garish foil covers.
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 11:10 am
I almost did. Have you read http://www.jimchines.com/2010/07/first-book-friday/
Deborah J. Ross
June 29, 2011 @ 11:33 am
I agree. Small presses like Subterranean, Night Shade, and Fairwood (not an inclusive list, just a few examples) do a superb job.
We’re starting to see self-published books of excellent quality by seasoned professional writers who make sure their work is edited and copy-edited to the same standards as if it were published by a major house.
rachel aaron
June 29, 2011 @ 11:48 am
This is probably the most fair and concise post I’ve seen on the issue. Thank you!
Stephen A. Watkins
June 29, 2011 @ 11:54 am
Yes. And the reverse is also true. If I manage to publish with a major publisher, that’s a bit of validation that my story is worth the attentions of an editor and major publisher and thousands of dollars upfront just for the rights to publish. As I move on down the list, there’s less of a sense of validation, and less certainty on my part that my story really is any good after all.
Seeing as how I want to write something that is of quality, it’s hard for me to know if I’ve achieved that if I only self-publish, because sales, or lack-thereof, on Amazon are unlikely to tell me much about the quality of my work, unless I miraculously hit it out of the park.
Elizabeth
June 29, 2011 @ 1:05 pm
As much as I don’t want to be in the slush pile, and hate that sometimes I am, what I want even less is to have to read the slush pile. I agree with just about everything you say, although, like Anita, I too am passionately devoted to certain small presses*. There are certainly wonderful self published books out there, I’m just unlikely to find them.
*There are also certain small presses that I will no longer buy books from – usually, but not always, because the editing is unreliable.
Michael Z. Williamson
June 29, 2011 @ 1:37 pm
There is booze at slush reading parties. There is a reason there is booze at slush reading parties.
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 2:05 pm
Nicely put 🙂 (And I say this as someone who knows just how bad my early slush submissions were…)
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 2:06 pm
Yep. I would *love* to do something with Subterranean one of these days…
And I agree there are different assumptions by previously-published authors who self-publish as opposed to people with no previous experience … but I had no idea how to write that up succinctly for the post 🙂
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 2:07 pm
Not as much fun to read as the ranty sporkstabby stuff, I know, but ah well 🙂
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 2:08 pm
I wouldn’t mind doing some slush reading at one of the slush parties or something like that … as a one-time thing. I don’t think I’d be well-suited to doing it as a long-term job, though.
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 2:10 pm
That makes sense. A self-published story might be brilliant, but often the *feeling* of validation is much stronger when you’ve got someone in New York paying you lots of money to publish it and put it out there. And for the moment at least, I think the big publishers still have much better distribution than self-publishing (in most cases).
Michael Capobianco
June 29, 2011 @ 2:23 pm
Then there’s an increasing number of self-published books that were originally published by a major publisher, went out of print, and had the rights reverted by the author, who subsequently republished them herself. In many cases, what you get is a book that has been liked by someone enough to pay an advance and professionally edited, and may cost less than other books that are still in your category 1. Will readers be able to recognize the added value in these books, or even understand the difference? I guess that remains to be seen.
Jim C. Hines
June 29, 2011 @ 2:27 pm
I couldn’t figure out a succinct way to include that in my summary, but yes. Self-publishing is growing, especially with e-books, and there’s a much broader range than there used to be…
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UnravThreads
June 30, 2011 @ 2:49 am
I have now 😉
Wow, that’s kinda cool in a way.
Jim C. Hines
June 30, 2011 @ 8:26 am
It was probably one of the most unpleasant parts of my writing career, but these days it makes a great story to share.