The Death of Print/Publishing, Part MCCLWTFXVIII
Dorchester Publishing recently announced they were dropping their mass market line and moving to an e-book/print-on-demand model. Dorchester’s president John Prebich describes his company as pioneers, boldly leading us into the electronic frontier. This has led to a new round of “print is dying,” and e-books are the way of the future. There’s an almost religious fervor to it.
J. A. Konrath suggests the end is nigh for commercial publishers, and self-publishing is the way to go. His anonymous sources claim sell-through on printed books is as bad as 20%. He describes a (hypothetical) commercially published author who gets a $50K advance and 30% sell-through, selling a mere 9000 print copies in the first year–
But wait, let’s back up and take another look at Dorchester, who’s been in trouble for a while. “Dorchester had serious cash-flow problems throughout 2009.” (Thanks to Nick Mamatas for that link.) The move to e-books/PoD isn’t as much a dramatic step into the future as it is a desperate attempt by one publisher to stay in business.
As for Konrath, he’s done an excellent job positioning himself as a champion of self-publishing. I have no doubt he talked to somebody, somewhere, who reported sell-through could be as bad as 20%. But “as bad as” generally means the low edge of the bell curve. Not the normal or the average, but the worst-case scenario.
To offer an alternate data point, my books have a sell-through around 80%. I’m not aware of anyone whose sell-through is down at 20-30%. I’m sure it happens, but to base an argument on those numbers is, in a word, silly. As for the rest of the example, well, I sell more than 9000 print copies in a year, and my advances are far lower than $50K.
I’m not saying Konrath’s example couldn’t happen. It’s possible. It’s possible to be struck by lightning seven times, too. But it ain’t the norm.
Wait, you say. 80% sell-through still means 20% returns, right? Doesn’t it make more sense to go electronic/PoD, where there are no returns and you can get 100% sell-through?
That depends. 80% of what? 100% of what? Konrath proposes that his hypothetical author will sell 5000 e-books in that first year. I’m curious where that number comes from, particularly given a New York Times report in which “publishers point out that e-books still represent a small sliver of total sales, from 3 to 5 percent.” If I had to choose, I’d take 80% of a 20K print run over 100% of the <1000 copies my books have sold electronically.
Konrath also argues that:
“The main reason we need publishers is for distribution. We can’t get into Wal-Mart or Borders on own own. They can. So we accept 8% royalties in order to sell a lot of books. But if publishers are no longer printing books, there is ZERO reason to sign with them, because they no longer have that advantage.”
Distribution is part of what my publisher does for me … but it’s not the only thing. They pay professionals to create my cover art, and to edit, typeset, and proofread my book. They do the work of converting my books into electronic formats. They pay for advertising and promotion. Basically, they do a ton of work to sell my books, which allows me to worry about writing them.
Publishing is changing. My guess is that we’ll eventually hit a new equilibrium point between print and e-books, and I do think e-books will be a larger percentage of book sales than they are today.
I’m not bashing self-publishing, either. For some people, it’s the right choice. Konrath certainly makes it work. My friend John Fitch V sold more than 100 books last month, which is damn good for the self-published route.
Both e-books and self-publishing have their strengths and advantages. And I could be wrong — it’s possible print and/or commercial publishing are on the way out. But I’ve been hearing about the imminent death of print and commercial publishing for more than a decade, and it’s getting a little old.
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Stephen Watkins
August 9, 2010 @ 11:04 am
My main criticism of Konrath’s arguments is that he says this as though it’s sound advice for new and unpublished authors – and says it from the comfort of having the benefit of the years of hard work of both himself and his publisher. Those are things that a new and unpublished author just don’t have. As you say, selling through 100 copies of a self-published book is pretty good, things being what they are.
Heck, I’d take 20% of the 20K print-run over your 100% of basically nothing. Even with 8% royalties… that’s still a lot more, financially speaking, than the alternative.
Jim C. Hines
August 9, 2010 @ 11:12 am
Definitely. Cat Valente said the same thing when she released The Girl Who Circumnavigated Fairyland online. It was an incredibly successful book … but Cat is also an author who already has an audience. A brand new author doing the same thing would likely have gotten a very different result.
Genrewonk » The Permanent Floating Publishing Apocalypse
August 9, 2010 @ 12:18 pm
[…] is premature for a number of reasons. (Not the least of which is the technical reasons I listed in an earlier blog post.)
Zoe Winters
August 9, 2010 @ 12:37 pm
The cartoon… Hilarious. I LOL’d.
I agree with you that Dorchester isn’t doing this to be progressive, they’re spin-doctoring their financial decline. If they are financially declining badly enough for this, I can see where it’s possible other publishers may eventually follow suit. But they may not.
I *do* actually think ebooks are the future, or at least they will be, IMO, the new MMPB. But, I don’t think print will ever die completely.
I agree also that “as low as 20%…” doesn’t mean that’s how low everybody’s sell-through or most sell-through is.
As for first year sales as a totally new indie ebook author, I think 5,000 copies are a bit high unless you have backlist or previous publishing experience/platform. I only sold about 3,000 copies of my debut novella in digital my first year. That’s just my one experience, some people sell better than me, some sell worse than me, but I don’t think 5k copies in one year would be the average for a brand new indie.
What I think will happen is that as stigma lowers, more people will choose to self-publish who “can” successfully get pro-cover art, editing, etc. And who “can” market and build a platform online, because of bigger profit potential for whatever stage they’re at in their career. i.e. We should compare apples to apples and not a self-pubbing author to someone who gets a giant fabulous NY advance, because most people are on the midlist, some of them low on the midlist. In that case, self-pub might be financially smarter.
Commercial publishing will probably evolve, rather than die, but it won’t be the only “acceptable” way to publish anymore. And that’s as it should be, since this “revolution” has already happened in music and film.
JA Konrath
August 9, 2010 @ 12:58 pm
My understanding is that 50% sell through is average. And talking to authors isn’t going to get you straight answers, because actual print runs aren’t listed on royalty statements.
Go drinking with some editors. Then you get more realistic numbers. And 20% does happen, and is becoming more common. Do you think Dorchester would be getting out of the PBO biz if they had an 80% sell through? Of course they wouldn’t.
I’m curious where that number comes from, particularly given a New York Times report in which “publishers point out that e-books still represent a small sliver of total sales, from 3 to 5 percent.
Selling 5000 ebooks a year is the low end of what I’m averaging with my six top sellers. High end is over 10,000 a year.
Consider if that is only 3% to 5% of the market. What will I be earning when ebooks are 40% of the market?
If I had to choose, I’d take 80% of a 20K print run over 100% of the <1000 copies my books have sold electronically.
Over the course of several years, I’d say that’s a mistake. Especially in this publishing climate. Work out the numbers for three, five, and ten years.
On a trade paperback, earning $1.50 per book, selling 16,000 copies you’d make $24,000. Not bad. But you won’t sell as many in year two. Or year five, if your book is even still in print then.
5000 ebooks a year would earn you $10,000. But next year, you have the potential to sell even more, as the ebook becomes more popular. My numbers have been steadily climbing. This holidays season will likely be huge for ereaders.
They pay professionals to create my cover art, and to edit, typeset, and proofread my book. etc.
And then you get between 6% and 15% of the cover price, which they set.
You really think that’s a better deal than paying for these costs yourself and then earning 70% of a price you set? Really?
But I’ve been hearing about the imminent death of print and commercial publishing for more than a decade, and it’s getting a little old.
Print never had direct competition before. Not like the threat Kindle is posing. And instead of rising to the challenge, publishers are making one giant mistake after another. The agency model lost money for publishers and authors, and alienated readers. Ebook prices are artificially inflated. DRM is archaic and costs customers. Trying to retrofit contracts to grab erights is reprehensible. There isn’t a single reason why publishers shouldn’t have their own ereaders and websites with downloadable content. But instead of moving forward, they’re fighting to keep things the same.
It’s a fight they won’t win.
Jim C. Hines
August 9, 2010 @ 1:08 pm
“Selling 5000 ebooks a year is the low end of what I’m averaging with my six top sellers. High end is over 10,000 a year.”
Which is awesome, and I’ve said in the comments on LJ that I’m impressed at how well you’ve made this work. But you seem to believe that your case is in any way normal.
You’ve done a marvelous job of positioning yourself as a champion of self-publishing, and using that platform to promote yourself and your work. But you seem to believe that anyone can do the same.
It reminds me a bit of when people first started putting their novels online. Cory Doctorow made it work. So did John Scalzi. Both of these were people with preexisting audiences (like you had, thanks to your commercial publishing success), and they were doing it when it was a new thing. Whereas anyone who puts a book online today is going to see a very different and much more disappointing result.
“You really think that’s a better deal than paying for these costs yourself and then earning 70% of a price you set? Really?”
Yes. Because most self-published authors do not sell the numbers you do. Your basing your arguments on extremes. Your 20% sell through is the low extreme of the bell curve. Your success as a self-published author is the high end. If you have data showing otherwise, I’d love to see it.
JA Konrath
August 9, 2010 @ 1:14 pm
Because most self-published authors do not sell the numbers you do.
As compared to how much traditionally published authors earn? Isn’t the average still $5000 per novel?
It’s tough to make a living as an author, period. But if you’re good enough to attract a major publisher, you’d be better served keeping your rights and self-pubbing, unless you’re offered a huge deal.
I’ve never said that if you self pub, you can make $15k a month like me. But in the long run, I believe you can earn more money on ebooks than in print. Time will tell if I’m correct.
Jim C. Hines
August 9, 2010 @ 1:29 pm
$5000 was the median advance for a *first* novel, according to Tobias Buckell’s survey. Average was over $6000.
stacy
August 9, 2010 @ 1:51 pm
$5000 is the median *advance*–not the median of what authors earn. The study didn’t include how many authors earned out and what kind of royalties they saw after earning out. The advance *shouldn’t* be the only source of income for a book, and it’s odd that authors nowadays are looking to the advance as the be-all on what they earn on a book. I can understand the fear of not earning out, and thus you want to make as much money up front as possible. But (and here is where a house that doesn’t focus on blockbusters and supports the midlist for years to come has the advantage; a rare thing nowadays, I know) it really is to everyone’s advantage if the advance is earned out sooner rather than later and starts paying out royalties right away.
If self-publishing is the right thing for a particular author to do, then I don’t object to it. I have a few friends making livings on their self-published work, most notably Howard Tayler of Schlock Mercenary. That’s *great* when it works (and yes, things like editing can be contracted out to freelancers; that’s how I made much of my living the year I freelanced). But it’s also important not to discount that publishers do bring a LOT to the table, especially strong independent publishers that know their niche and can market/sell to it better than one author can. This is especially true when selling children’s/YA fiction in school and library markets, which is outside the NYT bestseller list and the laydown/sell-through numbers counted in bookstores.
stacy
August 9, 2010 @ 1:54 pm
(To clarify why I think it’s as much to the benefit of the author to earn out as the publisher: the author who earns out early tends to be the author that publishers go back to for more, as opposed to books that don’t earn out at all (considered “failures” at even astronomical sales numbers, because they didn’t earn out the investment).)
But it’s all moot with self-publishing, yes. Just wanted to clarify that point.
Jim C. Hines
August 9, 2010 @ 3:44 pm
Now I’m curious — how easy is it to do foreign sales of self-published titles? Probably half of my income is from foreign sales of my books, which come about because my agent is able to sell the U.S. editions overseas. If I was self-publishing, I’d be on my own for that, without the connections my agent has.
I know that’s a little off-thread, but it’s something that came to mind as I was reading your comments…
Jason
August 9, 2010 @ 4:29 pm
I am not going to debate about self-publishing or merits, but as a bibliophile, I will comment on my dislike for ebooks. Why do I not like ebooks? Well yes, there are advantages, like having your entire library on a flash drive, but E-readers are far from perfect at this point. Reading on a computer or Ipad are obvious options, but the LCD strains your eyes and neither are very light weight nor portable. Sure you can take your ipad or labtop anywhere, but the battery life on either of these is minimal at best and they’re rather heavier than an actual book even a hardback. Then we move to e-readers, which are rather pricey (they are at least 150 bucks plus the cost of books). They are more light weight, portable, and have an amazing battery life, but no color (so no comic books, no picture books, or even children’s books) and limits in the formats and what work on each e-reader. There also is not complete availability yet. There are some major limitations with this format.
The big problem with the ebook format is that it takes away the entire collect ability of books. There are no first prints or rare editions. Absolutely no way to get an ebook signed or to personalize it for someone. It takes away a lot of what makes books a collection and not just something you have. Ebooks are great for a casual reader who picks up their latest copy of Twilight or Harry Potter or even someone who devours Danielle Steel and Stephen King with gusto, but not so much for the people, like me, who have a rather eclectic taste in books (I also read comics) and want/need an actual PHYSICAL copy of the book. After all, saying you have an ebook of Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice is nice and all, but saying you have a signed first edition (idk if such a thing exists, I’m just saying) is freaking GOLD.
Jack
August 9, 2010 @ 5:59 pm
Exactly.
I remember years ago when the music world went cd my nephew (a raging music nut) had a very hard time with the format. Personally, music-wise, I could care less what format it’s in. I’m all over the mp3 player. CD’s are packed and closet-bound.
But a book is something different. I like my music, but I freaking love books. I may, someday, go with an ereader but I want nothing to do with a world where I can’t hunt for a signed copy of one of my favorite, obscure authors.
Just one old fart’s opinion.
Shiloh Walker
August 9, 2010 @ 7:20 pm
My issues with all the glitz and glam on self-publishing is how very little focuses on the actual numbers. Even Mark Coker (that’s the name, i believe, the owner of smashwords) admit it’s hard for the indie author to make much at self publishing because the ‘typical’ self-pubbed author only sells a handful of books.
There are 600,000+ works listed now on Kindle. Of the mega-successes we hear, how many are the exact opposite? How many of them have only sold 5-10 copies and why aren’t we hearing more about the hard facts, the realities, instead of the glitz and the glamour and the mega successes?
I’m sorry, but if I’m going to have somebody out there telling writers the beauty of self-publishing, then they need to be educating on the harder facts, too.
My sell through is over 80%, and I’m definitely making more than 5k a book. I’m open to a writer doing what they need to make writing a career-be it self-pub, epub or traditional. But I also think those advocating about the areas need to be up front and honest about both the nice things and the harsh realities.
Established authors with an established presence who have a following are going to have a much easier go with self-publishing than the typical Joe Blow who is reading about the mega-successes but unless he gets educated on those things? He’s in for a rude awakening.
Natalie J. Damschroder
August 9, 2010 @ 7:24 pm
JA Konrath says: “5000 ebooks a year would earn you $10,000. But next year, you have the potential to sell even more, as the ebook becomes more popular.”
Do you mean the format, or the particular book of your example?
Either way, I think this is faulty logic. Certainly, the e-book format has a longer tail, but why would people buy a book that is two or three years old as opposed to the flood of new self-published books that will be coming, as it is now so easy for us to do? Yes, if you do well, people will buy your backlist, but not in ever-increasing numbers.
One thing, IMO missing from this discussion is the quality issue. Self-publishing often (not always, of course) means very poor quality. How many times will a reader get burned before they start figuring out if a book is self-published and deciding not to take a chance? Editing, marketing, and cover art are getting very short shrift.
Also missing is mention of the last 15 years of groundbreaking done by e-publishers. It’s not JUST “print or self-publish.” There are other options! 🙂
L. K. Below
August 9, 2010 @ 7:58 pm
Let me give you the perspective of one of the small fries Jim is concerned about (yes, that would be me). I’m a small author working hard to break into the scene. While I have had some success in acceptances, this thus far has been with non-advance paying publishers. I have royalties up front and even so, I’m not quitting my day job any time soon!
I know how much work my publishers put into marketing my book because I make it my business to know. With small presses and epublishers, authors work in concert with their publishers to market. Even so, I know that I could not make the sort of sales Konrath is claiming, not on my own.
They say the best marketing strategy is to have backlist. But what’s the point of having a large backlist of books if no one knows who you are? My one saving grace in starting up is that my publisher is there along side me. Through them, I have promotional opportunities with fellow authors that they only open to others in the same publishing house. Not to mention I have a better chance of having my book reviewed on blogger sites. Already, I have seen doors closed to me simply because some reviewers have not yet joined the ereader community. As I’ve done my research, I’ve noticed even more doors are closed to self-published books. Maybe this is a stipulation that needs to be remedied, but the fact remains that today I browsed 50+ YA review blogs and only one (1) was open to reviewing self-published books. If no one will review the self-published books, how is the author to get word out that their book is available? Guest blogging opportunities and author interviews will likely be barred to them at those same sites. Without reviews (good or bad), I would resort to taking out ads at popular sites (like review sites, etc.). For a self-published author, this is money coming out of their pocket, money which they can’t afford to spend when their income is so uncertain. Publishing in ebook, doing local book signings, etc. wouldn’t be plausible, and merchandising (bookmarks, etc.) for ebooks is a tad ridiculous, in my opinion.
But let me back up a step further. I have knowledge of the publishing field which I wouldn’t have known a year before. If the me of a year ago was going to self-publish, it would have been a disaster. Not only would I have had the knowledge necessary to promote my works (knowledge which I attained through the patient guidance of my publishers, and through the help of friends), but I would have published something which would not have been ready for the market. Hiring an editor won’t guarantee you a good book. There are grievous errors I might have made in that story I was so proud of I couldn’t see its flaws. I’ve read self-published books before, and I’ll be honest with you. While there are gems, there are also horrible books out there! If there’s a flaw in storyline that I can’t see or are too blind to listen to editors when they tell me, and I go ahead and self-publish? No amount of perfect grammar and syntax will be able to cover that up. Any reader who reads that book will be left with doubt in me as an author, will tell their friends to avoid me (if they remember me at all) and will avoid any future works I might produce. Backlist would not be saving me there!
Talking to an established (or even better, a bestselling!) author about self publishing is an entirely different story than the majority of authors who will follow the self-publishing market. I agree with Jim that your case is the extreme. It’s the dream that tells people it CAN be done. But it’s not likely. Heck, it’s about as likely as my first book hitting the bestseller charts! Looking to build a readership slowly with an established publisher (or three) is a lot more realistic than self-publishing that gem gathering dust in your drawer and expecting to earn a living off of it.
Lauren Dane
August 9, 2010 @ 8:12 pm
I’m a huge proponent of digital publishing with a reputable publisher. I talk about it all the time, advocate for it, I’ve participated in workshops and have written on it as well. I love digital publishing. But digital publishing is not self publishing, like not all animals are dogs.
I sell a hell of a lot more than 5,000 digital books a year and I still wouldn’t self publish, nor do I believe it is viable for 90% of authors. I publish with large NY publishers and small digital first publishers and I do NOT agree with the statement that an author is “better off” self publishing than choosing traditional publishing in the absence of a huge deal.
I *do* make more money from my digital books than my print books, which is mainly due to the higher royalty rates for those digital books – but my publishers do the heavy lifting. Heavy lifting I don’t have any desire to do myself. (though this does not mean I don’t have to promote. We all do.)
More importantly, I do not believe I’d have the same exposure without the weight of a publisher behind me. Being with a publisher is a huge factor in why my name is known in my little corner of the genre.
No, they did not invent me. They did not make me. They do not write my books or any of that. But they promote me. They give me good covers and market my books. Readers go to their website and facebook page, their twitter account. They have more presence than I do, more money, more attention and more power. If they use that and if *I* can use that to get attention for my work, this is priceless.
People want to ignore that because it makes the whole rah-rah put your book on Kindle yourself and make a gazillion dollars argument easier to digest when you don’t focus on all the factors that get an author where he or she has enough of a base to truly make a go of self-publishing.
Whether an author chooses to self publish or not isn’t my business. There are, undeniably, success stories like Konrath. But I’d prefer that we look at *all* the factors when we discuss it – the facts show the reality will be the overwhelming majority of those who go this route will not find the success they *believe* they will.
Michael Cannon
August 9, 2010 @ 8:13 pm
From a non financial perspective, I hope print never dies… books don’t break when you put them in your pocket and sit on them, they don’t require batteries, and they won’t overheat and cause a fire if you fall asleep with them in your bed. Long live print!
Jim C. Hines
August 9, 2010 @ 9:36 pm
I remember reading an article where Smashwords admitted most self-published titles didn’t sell many copies. Which still works for them, because they make a profit on the sheer volume of books they offer. But yeah, for every Konrath claiming to make six figures from self-published e-books, how many others are making six bucks?
Steven Saus
August 9, 2010 @ 9:39 pm
I can’t imagine that foreign sales (as opposed to translations) are an easy sell, since you’re effectively able to reach an online audience. IMHO, while eReaders are well past “early adopter” phase, I’m willing to bet that most folks reading off a device aren’t noobs either, and can get around country and DRM restrictions.
Steven Saus
August 9, 2010 @ 9:41 pm
Five years ago, I would have agreed with you. I’ve since met entirely too many converts – and become one of them myself. In my (anecdotal, convenience sample) experience, once someone decides to try an eReader, they quickly switch over nearly entirely.
I still buy print books (I bought a print version of Red Hood’s Revenge, for example), but find that I end up reading a digital copy (which I also bought after realizing the paperback sat on my shelf for two weeks).
Steven Saus
August 9, 2010 @ 9:52 pm
It’s always taken 30s to 1m for Smashwords’ site to load for me, so maybe they aren’t not the best example. 🙂
Personally as an author, I largely intend to make available work that’s already existent elsewhere where the rights have reverted to me. As Laura pointed out on Facebook (and has been mentioned here), promotion is a big part of things. I’d say that role of matching reader to author is the primary venue in which publishers can distinguish themselves.
I don’t put nearly as much value in the covers, editing, and proofreading side of things. Or rather, I think they’re extremely valuable – but going through a publisher isn’t the only way to go anymore. A huge thing for me when shopping (the eventual) novel will be considering how – and how much – the publisher plans to market the work. Those connections are really the only thing I can’t hire a freelancer to do at this point (or do myself).
When my contribution to the Chain Story goes live, I’ll be interested in seeing what correlations end up existing between readers and direct income for me. That will be a HUGE defining moment for me in terms of how bullish I am for true independence. Remind me to let you know how it comes out.
Natalie J. Damschroder
August 9, 2010 @ 9:58 pm
No, you’re right, there are skilled freelance editors and proofreaders (that’s one portion of my income, as a matter of fact! 🙂 ) and artists. But my point isn’t that they aren’t available, but that many, many authors won’t use them. I have no idea how many readers will actually think, “I’ve read three self-published books that absolutely sucked, I won’t do it anymore.” I just think it’s a possibility. Because as a freelance editor, I know how much cr** is really out there.
Plus, there’s the fact that those services don’t come cheap. Not good ones.
Steven Saus
August 9, 2010 @ 10:12 pm
Natalie, you are absolutely correct. I’ve also met quite a few people that complained about professional digital books that were poorly formatted, not proofread, and the like. Enough so that I’ve started to let people know that I do ePub and Mobi conversion as a freelancer.
But that’s part of the business aspect of writing. If a home contractor builds things on the cheap, they get poor returns on their business pretty quickly. The same thing will happen with digital publishing. I mentioned the Chain Story – it’s a project that Mike Stackpole put together that’s pretty much by invitation. But that also means that the folks contributing are pros, and are doing the best they can to put together a quality product.
That kind of consortium (or imprint) – where there’s a reasonable expectation of self-policed quality – can help deal with the problems of both discovery and quality. (We all share audiences with each other.) It’s the role publishers have had in the past – and what I really feel they need to emphasize now if they want to survive in the future. I hope they do so – but I’m not sure (or optimistic) the folks in boardrooms far removed are able to see that. It would make things MUCH easier for good emerging writers like myself.
Natalie J. Damschroder
August 9, 2010 @ 10:19 pm
“If a home contractor builds things on the cheap, they get poor returns on their business pretty quickly. The same thing will happen with digital publishing.”
It did! E-publishing has been around for more than a decade. 13 years ago, it was deemed the revolution in publishing. Becoming a publisher was so easy, dozens or even hundreds of publishers appeared overnight, their owners and staff often having very little business or publishing/editing experience. And yes, people stayed away in droves after sampling horribly formatted, edited, and proofread books. Though it didn’t help that affordable eReaders flopped until recently, it took a very long time for the good e-publishers to overcome the stigma.
As for the “shared audiences” aspect…IMO, the Internet makes us feel like our small, intimate community is everyone there is. There are far, far more people who aren’t part of the community than are. (Unfortunately! LOL)
Steven Saus
August 9, 2010 @ 10:32 pm
Re: On-The-Cheap. You’re absolutely right – but I think that’s an always ongoing process, not a limited time one. There’s still turnover in print publishers as well for similar reasons. For a comics analogy, for every Dark Horse there’s four or five failed imprints.
Re: Shared Audiences. Yes, it’s a smaller pool. That’s really where sunk costs come in. If you’re investing $5K in a book (through editors, artists, proofreaders) then after selling 500 copies at $9.99 everything after that is profit. (I believe you could probably find those services for a LOT less, though.) I understand 500 copies sold would be a disastrous print run.
Will reality bear that out? I think it might – but I can’t tell you that for sure yet. Few people are being transparent about their finances.
Angela James
August 9, 2010 @ 10:45 pm
I think what Natalie is trying to express–without putting words in her mouth–is the continued value readers put on the gatekeeping that publishers do, so yes, you can self-publish and find editors, and cover artists and people to format for you, but for many readers, that doesn’t assure them that someone, even one person at a publisher, has said “yes, let’s spend the money to publish this because the readers need to read this.” Right, wrong or indifferent, I think it’s for this reason that the author/publisher relationship is one of mutual gain, and I think this is why many readers won’t/don’t buy self-pubbed books–they want to know someone has already “sorted” for them. I also believe this is why publishers as a brand are becoming more significant in the digital market–the reader wants to trust your sorting ability!
Natalie J. Damschroder
August 9, 2010 @ 10:49 pm
Oh, no, please don’t put such intelligent, eloquent words in my mouth! LOL
But yes, that is exactly what I mean. In a much more intelligent, eloquent way. 🙂
txvoodoo
August 9, 2010 @ 10:59 pm
“Ebooks are great for a casual reader who picks up their latest copy of Twilight or Harry Potter or even someone who devours Danielle Steel and Stephen King with gusto, but not so much for the people, like me, who have a rather eclectic taste in books (I also read comics) and want/need an actual PHYSICAL copy of the book. After all, saying you have an ebook of Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice is nice and all, but saying you have a signed first edition (idk if such a thing exists, I’m just saying) is freaking GOLD.”
Well, first off, let me note the irony that Harry Potter is not available in ebook.
Second, wow, what a dismissive paragraph. I read about 3-8 books a week (dependent on how much time I have). I’m very eclectic, reading history, politics, literature, and various genres. Oh, I read comics too.
4 years ago, I couldn’t imagine doing that. Since then, my husband and I have halved our paper book collection of 3000+ books, replaced nearly all of it in ebook. We’ll continue doing this. We’ll regain an entire room in our home. We won’t be buying MORE bookcases (last count was 18). We won’t pay hundreds of dollars to move these the next time we move houses.
In addition, my eyes enjoy being able to change the size of the text more and more as I approach 50. My hand appreciates not having to hold a 3 pound history book, and the comfort and ease mean I read more and for longer sessions. I enjoy being able to clip out quotes and save them in order to write about them later, or merely think about them. And, as a very avid reader, having multiple books on my device is great, because I can change what I’m reading easily, depending on my mood.
I think you’re really missed the boat on your characterization of ebook readers.
In addition, once upon a time I collected first editions, and got them signed. Over the years, I would not actually READ those books, instead trying to keep them pristene. Somehow, now, that seems illogical. I value the books (e or otherwise) more for the words in them.
Selena Kitt
August 10, 2010 @ 12:33 am
“Then we move to e-readers, which are rather pricey (they are at least 150 bucks plus the cost of books). They are more light weight, portable, and have an amazing battery life, but no color (so no comic books, no picture books, or even children’s books) and limits in the formats and what work on each e-reader. There also is not complete availability yet. There are some major limitations with this format.”
Think ahead. These problems will go away over time. The tipping point has been reached, and with the big boys (Amazon, Apple, B&N, Borders) jumping into the fray, it won’t be long at all before all of the above will be fixed. And Kindle will probably be around $99 just in time for Christmas.
While I agree with Angela about publisher branding becoming even more important – readers DO want a reliable and trustworthy source for books and this will be ever-more important in a world where self-pubbing is so available and popular – I also think Amazon’s ratings/reviews are going to serve as the gatekeepers on that end. Some are shill reviews, yeah – but you can usually spot them. If people like a book, they’re going to say so. If enough people like it, and it sounds good, other folks are going to buy it. If people find egregious errors and horrible writing, they’re going to say so. And people won’t buy it. The cream will still rise to the top. Or at least the popular stuff will still rise to the top 😉
Ann Aguirre
August 10, 2010 @ 1:28 am
Well, I am not getting major deals, but I’m doing better than the median in that survey, plus my sell-through is excellent, so I’m getting good royalties, too.
I agree with Lauren in that self-publishing is not the magical charm. Dorchester isn’t necessarily a sign of inevitable things to come. Other publishers do need to respond, but Dorchester had been suffering from financial problems for a long while. This is desperation, not innovation. Most authors will be better off with a reputable digital publisher, unless they are extremely tech and marketing savvy.
Zoe Winters
August 10, 2010 @ 5:43 am
I agree that it’s not just print or self-pub, and I’ve encouraged indie authors before to seek a small press or epub because being indie wasn’t something they really “wanted” to do. They’d just bought into this idea that all their work would be “destroyed” by a publisher. I’m a control freak and MUST have creative control, but that’s balanced out by the fact that I really really love self-publishing. The act of it. And for some people, that might not be the case.
However, when it comes to epubs… I know the biggest ones in my genre are Ellora’s Cave and Samhain, and then Loose ID gets mentioned a lot as well. All good publishers for that. But I’m making more on my own than a lot of Samhain and Loose ID authors (I’m not sure about EC because I don’t know much about what the average EC author makes now, but I know several Samhain and Loose ID authors.)
So for me it would make little sense to go after an epub. But, even though there are many indies who sell a lot more than me, there are many indies who sell a LOT less than me. And it’s not all about price. I’ve seen indie books with decent covers selling at 99 cents that were ranked over 100,000 in the Kindle store. Which means they are selling a copy or two every week or two most likely.
An epub is definitely something for people to consider and look into, but… if someone can market and get their name out there, and take care of the facets of self-publishing, IMO they are better off indie, both for the creative/personal rewards, and the money.
Zoe Winters
August 10, 2010 @ 5:47 am
I think foreign sales (that aren’t foreign language) will be a harder sell for ALL authors, not just self-pubbed as e-readers become more popular.
Zoe Winters
August 10, 2010 @ 5:49 am
I think a very big part of Smashwords not being such a big market for so many indies is just what you said about site load time. It’s just way too slow. And that turns off consumers who might otherwise have shopped there.
The real beauty in Smashwords, though, is their premium distribution that gets an indie into many other outlets like Sony, ibookstore, kobo, & B&N (until PubIt arrives, at which point most will distribute directly through B&N)
Zoe Winters
August 10, 2010 @ 5:53 am
If someone puts out a truly professional-level product and has set up their own imprint, there is absolutely no way most readers will think it’s self-pubbed. Because when people think about self-pubbed drek, they’re thinking about crappy covers and crappy editing. And if the cover looks good, and the sample they read on their device looks good, I highly doubt it will cross their minds to dig deep enough to find out if it’s self-published.
It’s easy to forget that the average reader who is not in any way involved in publishing circles has a much more shorthand way of determining “self-published crap” they don’t know who all the small presses are or what every imprint is, or even who the publisher is of most of their favorite authors.
steve davidson
August 10, 2010 @ 6:06 am
Short and sweet:
published, self-published and hybrid (I guess) – all non-fiction works on a specialty subject. Got paid a flat fee for the traditional book, made a TON on the self-pub (pre-electronics stuff – cost $2.80, cover price – $24.95, book not available but still in demand); sold 1500 copies of the “hybrid” (found a small press interested, we split some of the tasks); several hundred of those copies found their way to the Boy Scout 100th Jamboree, made a decent return.
Hate ebooks, will never be a “convert” (I LIKE having lost a room to books, having to buy bookcases and having to haul them around when I move. If you don’t you’re a traitor, lol)
Really dislike the concept of self-pubbed fiction. (Non-fiction I can understand and have participated in and it IS a different beast); way too much unfinished, unprofessional crap to wade through that I have attached the stigma to all and won’t even waste a dollar “trying it out”.
But here’s my hand grenade tossed into the salad: what would happen if the traditional publishers finally give in and realize that they can make more money simply licensing their imprint (or “an” imprint to wannabe self-pubbers? Seems to me that if electronics and self-pub are the dire threat to traditional that some seem to think it is, the above is a potentially viable and lucrative way for the traditionalists to stay in business.
(Some Self-pubbers are ALREADY doing something like this with websites, publishing “company” names & etc., such as the guy who’s going around allowing folks to think he’s Eggleton the artist now Bob the author.)
Just speculatin…
Steven Saus
August 10, 2010 @ 8:02 am
At Marcon, I was on a panel with a gentleman who couldn’t read regular books due to eyesight conditions, and most of what he wanted to read was not available in large print. His eReader let him keep reading. Good point.
Steven Saus
August 10, 2010 @ 8:08 am
Zoe, et al:
You’re talking about two different, but complementary functions. One is quality, one is brand recognition.
That gatekeeping function is important – but a traditional publishing model isn’t the only way (or maybe not even the best way) to do it. We’ve all read drek that was put out by a pro publisher. We’ve all heard that publishers don’t always accept and reject MS’s based on quality alone. That said, you’re right, once someone finds a trusted brand it takes effort to get them beyond it.
Sampling – as Zoe mentioned – can overcome this. We see it all the time in grocery stores. You try it, you like it, you get more. (Heck, look at Free Comic Book Day as another example.)
I think the marketplace is a lot more chaotic than any one model. How this (growing) slice of the pie divides out, and whether (and how) publishers position themselves will make a huge difference in their bottom lines.
Steve Buchheit
August 10, 2010 @ 10:02 am
Just a nit, if you’re $5,000 into the project and sell 500 at $9.99, you’re still $5 in the hole before you account for extra shipping, your time to process orders, market, and sell the book.
Steven Saus
August 10, 2010 @ 10:24 am
You’re right about the $9.99 – I was modifying numbers on the fly and mis-added. Not to mention that I’m pulling them out of thin air.
However, if you’re digitally distributing, there are no costs of shipping, processing, etc. There is a time investment, absolutely. Adjust your numbers accordingly and figure out what your own break-even point is. My basic thrust of that was that eliminating the physical costs does lower sunk costs to a point, thus allowing smaller “sale runs” to be profitable.
Steve Buchheit
August 10, 2010 @ 10:50 am
Yes, thinking ahead is important. Like how you’ll read those ebooks in another decade. Will the readers then have the same standards as the ones now have? Will they be backward compatible? And what about 2 decades from now? Since we all like to compare this transfer to the digital music revolution, I’ll remind everybody that 2 decades ago having a CD on your computer that could play music CDs was a nifty idea. And that people still have music-on-vinyl collections, reel-to-reel tapes, cassettes, audio digital tape, etc. How well can you purchase equipment to play some of those standards? As we move to accept a display device that creates an abstraction layer between us and the content, those questions become more important (and if you don’t think it is, research the Library of Congress and the effort they’re going through to continually update their legacy data standards, it’s a huge problem).
D. Moonfire
August 10, 2010 @ 10:56 am
I can speak for at least the ePUB format, I think there will be programs for a long while that will be able to handle it, since it is basically glorified HTML in a zip file with an index file. So, as long as we have the web (reasonable if), I think the ePUB will handle it.
Now, DRM… I doubt that will be around in 2, 20, 200 years. If anything, the servers that need to authorize use will eventually be shutdown.
But, the file format itself, I think has reasonable long-term viability.
Jim C. Hines
August 10, 2010 @ 10:59 am
That makes sense to me. DRM killed a legit music file within a year for me, whereas I can still open up old Word Perfect files from 12 years ago. So I can see the file formats outliving the DRM.
But longer term, there are files that are so old it’s hard for me to open them. So how easy will it be to read today’s ePUB file in 20 years? I don’t know — it’s one reason I wish we’d get a single standard e-book format, one which could better build backward-compatibility into future releases.
j.n. duncan
August 10, 2010 @ 11:54 am
Konrath has shown what is possible with self-publishing. He’s got experience with it, he’s very savvy about it, and he’s done a lot of legwork leading up to it. He was published in print prior to doing it. New authors, 99% of them anyway, have none of this. I think there’s a pretty big learning curve to make self-publishing work well. It takes a large investment in time, effort, and some money. The majority of those looking to publish aren’t willing or are unable to do this, which is why I think self-publishing will probably be unsuccessful for most who try. It’s really like going into business for yourself, which is not what most writers who don’t have a great deal of understanding about the industry want to hear.
I’m getting published in print. I believe it ups my odds of establishing a name for myself for more than self-publishing, even if I don’t stand to earn a great deal of money. If, at some point, I’ve written several books and continue to sell and have a following, I might likely look into self-publishing some material. As it stands now however, I much prefer the ability to keep writing and leave the bulk of the other issues to a publisher. The money trade-off is more than worth it.
D. Moonfire
August 10, 2010 @ 12:29 pm
(Yeah, I won’t buy DRM stuff. Even if I really want it. .. well, except for DVD’s.)
I haven’t really encountered an “open” format that I couldn’t open up years later. Even when I dredged up my original book of poetry (Microsoft Office 4), I had more trouble finding a way of getting it off the floppy than opening the file. OpenOffice.org handled it just as handily. Though, that wasn’t that many years ago.
I think the problem will come in mediums, not formats. Getting something off a 7″ floppy is going to be harder than figuring out the file format of the file.
I do consider the ePUB to be fairly compatible. But, I also make the assumption that XML and Zip files are going to be around for a long time.
txvoodoo
August 10, 2010 @ 1:58 pm
I didn’t think I’d hit this point at 48, but there it is, due to a confluence of eye issues. I’d be bereft if I couldn’t continue w/ my avid reading. And even though I prefer paper books for cookbooks still (I’m loathe to bring my ereader into the kitchen), I’m starting to get more of them in e format, because their print is so darn tiny! I purchased a waterproof cover for my iPad to read recipes in the kitchen. I’d use my Kindle, but the iPad really is better for things with illustrations and photos, and the LCD eyestrain isn’t as much of an issue with one recipes.
And that gentleman is correct – large print is quite rare, and usually much more expensive!
Jim C. Hines
August 10, 2010 @ 2:21 pm
That really is one of the great benefits of e-books. I’ve got a friend who’s blind, and for my first book, I had to just convert my manuscript to plain text so her computer could read it for her. The idea of e-readers being able to do text-to-voice is awesome. Likewise, the ability to adjust the text size for easier reading.
txvoodoo
August 10, 2010 @ 2:25 pm
It is. I used to panic that my eye issues would curtail my reading. That literally depressed me – I was the kid who’d get punished in school for reading books while the teacher was talking. My parents, when they had to punish me, did so by taking *away* books! I’m so relieved that I’m able to continue feeding my book addiction .
JA Konrath
August 10, 2010 @ 3:18 pm
JA Konrath says: “5000 ebooks a year would earn you $10,000. But next year, you have the potential to sell even more, as the ebook becomes more popular.”
Do you mean the format, or the particular book of your example?
By all estimates, ebooks are 5% to 10% of the current bookselling market. But this number will go up. As a result, I’ve seen sales on all of my titles steadily increase, as more and more people buy ereading devices.
Either way, I think this is faulty logic. Certainly, the e-book format has a longer tail, but why would people buy a book that is two or three years old as opposed to the flood of new self-published books that will be coming, as it is now so easy for us to do? Yes, if you do well, people will buy your backlist, but not in ever-increasing numbers.
Publishers stay in business because of backlists, not frontlists or bestsellers (many of which lose money.)
A strong backlist sells year after year. In the case of ebooks, every book is new if you’ve recently bought a new Kindle. Which is why I’ve had books in the top 1000 bestsellers for 16 months.
Now I’m curious — how easy is it to do foreign sales of self-published titles?
My agent sold audio rights to my self-pubbed titles. She’s working on foreign rights.
the LCD strains your eyes and neither are very light weight nor portable
E-ink has zero eye strain. And the new Kindle weighs less than a paperback and is only $139.
Jim C. Hines
August 10, 2010 @ 3:29 pm
“By all estimates, ebooks are 5% to 10% of the current bookselling market.”
I believe you meant “by some estimates” there. There’s a link in the original post to a NYT article guessing 3-5%. Here’s another estimate putting it at 1-3%. The New Yorker puts it at 3-5%.
Can you back up your 5-10% claim?
JA Konrath
August 10, 2010 @ 3:41 pm
Can you back up your 5-10% claim?
Why? Who cares?
If it’s even smaller than 5-10%, that gives it even more room to grow. Which means even greater future sales.
Jim C. Hines
August 10, 2010 @ 3:44 pm
I care about whether or not I can view you as a credible source of information. If you exagerate your claims and cannot or will not back them up, then the answer is no. That’s helpful to know.
JA Konrath
August 10, 2010 @ 3:52 pm
I care about whether or not I can view you as a credible source of information. If you exagerate your claims and cannot or will not back them up, then the answer is no. That’s helpful to know.
If you don’t think I’m credible, read my blog more carefully.
The real percentage number is immaterial to my argument, which is that THE EBOOK MARKET HAS A LOT OF ROOM TO GROW.
If it makes you feel better, I’ll change the statement to: “I haven’t seen a single estimate that states the ebook market is more than 10% of the entire bookselling market.”
You claiming it is much less than that number speaks to my point, not against it.
Jim C. Hines
August 10, 2010 @ 4:00 pm
I have read your blog, which is one of the reasons I question you as a source of good or reliable information, in part for the reasons noted in the original post.
Your 5-10% quote above was an inaccurate statement on your part, which is why I challenged it.
You’re correct that both my numbers and yours support the larger argument you’re making. It’s an argument I agree with, actually. I don’t think there’s any question that e-books will grow and become a larger share of the market.
However, you might consider that your arguments would be stronger if you were less careless about the numbers you toss about, both uncited statistics and made-up hypotheticals.
Steven Saus
August 10, 2010 @ 4:28 pm
Seconded. Sloppy arguments mean that it’s difficult for me to argue my (somewhat advocacy) point as well. It wasn’t difficult to find a source for a 3-5% market share for eBooks.
Steve Buchheit
August 10, 2010 @ 4:50 pm
E-ink has zero eye strain
Point of order, e-ink has a similar eye strain as ink on paper. So if you want to say the differences between the old tech and the new are negligible, sure. To say it’s “zero” is misleading. Most people don’t notice the strain as fast as they notice it with backlit devices, however it does strain the eyes. Reading, in any format, is not what our eyes evolved to do.
JA Konrath
August 10, 2010 @ 4:52 pm
More quotes:
http://www.davidderrico.com/may-2010-e-book-sales-29-3m/
According to this, ebooks are 8.48%.
You might consider that your arguments would be stronger if you were less careless about the numbers you toss about, and searched for more accurate, up to date statistics. 🙂
Steve Buchheit
August 10, 2010 @ 4:59 pm
Okay, well then you have to figure in server costs, hosting, bandwidth, etc.
But yes, lowering sunk cost will make lower runs possible, but I believe that’s the argument for small presses.
Steve Buchheit
August 10, 2010 @ 5:03 pm
Considering HTML is less than 2 decades old and having watched the convolutions of the standard, I don’t have as much faith that it’ll be around for decades to come. After all, XML was supposed to kill HTML a decade ago. And CSS still isn’t implemented properly with all browsers. Not to mention all the standards in HTML3 that have deprecated since 4 arrived however many years ago.
Or to put it another way, I remember when Frames were all the rage. Hardly see them anymore.
JA Konrath
August 10, 2010 @ 5:05 pm
My other post disappeared, so please delete this one if if comes back.
Your 5-10% quote above was an inaccurate statement on your part, which is why I challenged it.
Seconded. Sloppy arguments mean that it’s difficult for me to argue my (somewhat advocacy) point as well. It wasn’t difficult to find a source for a 3-5% market share for eBooks.
Ok, you want to play? We can play the stats game. You two can go first, because the three stats you quoted are waaaaaay out of date. Show me a stat within the last few months. Things have changed a lot since Feb, March, and April, which were the links you posted.
While you look for recent figures, here is one:
http://www.geardiary.com/2010/07/20/amazon-announces-huge-ebook-sales-numbers-as-the-sky-falls-on-publishers/
The Association of American Publishers’ latest data reports that e-book sales grew 163 percent in the month of May.
Over the past month (May), for every 100 hardcover books Amazon.com has sold, it has sold 180 Kindle books.
You were so quick to pounce on me. You should have done some more Googling.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6700Z620100801
Random House is at 8% and predicts mroe than 10% soon. Which was where–if memory serves–I got the 10% number I quoted.
But STILL none of this does anything to refute my original point.
D. Moonfire
August 10, 2010 @ 5:58 pm
Yeah, I’m actually pretty sad that XHTML didn’t really get enough critical mass to be the one true standard. But, then again, I’m a programmer and like my tags to be case-sensitive and closed.
While I’ll agree that HTML may not be the presentation format of choice in 30 years, I do think that there will always be a converter that will take HTML 1, 2, 4, 12 and change it into whatever is the current form. Kind of like how calibre will convert ebook formats, there will be a program that will take the “old broken HTML 5” (text, HTML, XML, bob) and convert it into the “new hotness of AwesomeFileFormat” of the future.
As long as I don’t lose the file, even decades down the line, I’ll still be able to crack it open, pull out the lovely words, and jam them into the current “best” format.
Jim C. Hines
August 10, 2010 @ 6:18 pm
Konrath, this is getting a little sad. You said “all” estimates fell into your quoted range. It took me two minutes on Google to disprove that.
I never claimed the numbers I tossed back were the only ones, or even that they were the best. I was only pointing out your sloppiness in claiming all estimates fell into the same range.
If you feel that finding a May quote to trump my Feb-April citations gives you some sort of win here, well, whatever keeps your ego happy, I guess.
Jim C. Hines
August 10, 2010 @ 6:22 pm
Your other comment went into WordPress’ automatic moderation queue. I just got back online, so haven’t had a chance to do anything with it. However, since you used that comment to reply to people over in LiveJournal, I’m gonna leave it in moderation. If you want to respond to folks in LJ, do it there.
[ETA: Ah, and I see that you have. Cool, and thank you!]
Like I said above, the three stats I gave were a result of 2 minutes on Google to disprove your claim that all estimates showed the same thing. If you feel my Feb-April stats are “waaaaaay out of date,” whereas your May stats are wonderfully shiny, then dude, whatever makes you happy.
“But STILL none of this does anything to refute my original point.”
Never claimed it did. See my comment where I say I agree with that particular point. I wasn’t trying to refute your point; I was simply challenging you out on sloppy wording and/or careless number-flinging.
Steven Saus
August 10, 2010 @ 6:24 pm
Actually, Mr. Konrath, I am – or was – kind of on your side. I have a few self-published works on Amazon, and just spent a large part of the last weekend talking about how publishing has to change.
As some others might know, I’ve also pointed out the large growth in the eBook market before now.
I think we’re well past the first-mover stage, and are on the brink of mass adoption. I’m cautiously bullish on the economics of eBooks (here and here, for example).
I can’t find the particular stat at the minute, but I believe it was Penguin that expected digital products to be over 10% of its sales by the end of 2010. But see, here’s the difference – I just pointed out that I don’t remember the particular statistic. That’s all. I’m not citing it as an absolute fact – just as a half-remembered article.
Since both Jim & I have said that we actually agree with large portions of your argument, I’m staggered that you find it necessary to treat us as enemies.
You might also want to read Mike Stackpole’s dissection of the “Kindles outsell Hardcovers” story. Do read the whole thing – he both shows why the headline’s pointless, but how the fact the headline exists is extremely important.
JA Konrath
August 10, 2010 @ 6:32 pm
Konrath, this is getting a little sad. You said “all” estimates fell into your quoted range. It took me two minutes on Google to disprove that.
With out of date figures. And then you jumped on me for being incorrect, when you were incorrect.
I never claimed the numbers I tossed back were the only ones, or even that they were the best. I was only pointing out your sloppiness in claiming all estimates fell into the same range.
So I was being sloppy, but you weren’t?
If you feel that finding a May quote to trump my Feb-April citations gives you some sort of win here, well, whatever keeps your ego happy, I guess.
This isn’t about winning an internet debate. It’s about the ebook market literally growing month-to-month. If we haven’t hit 10% yet, we will soon. But writers still keep signing with publishers. They still think the old model works. It makes no sense to me. You seem to think it still makes sense.
Can everyone do what I’m doing? No. But I never said they could.
I have said that writers need to think, long and hard, about the future of this industry. They need to pay attention to their contracts. They need to set goals and do the math when it comes to advances. We’ve been trained to take whatever scraps we’ve been offered, and be grateful for them. We even defend those giving us the scraps.
The industry is changing. I believe our mentality should change with it. I also believe playing the “who has better stats” game is a big waste of time, obscuring the main point: ebooks will only get bigger.
Speak to that topic, not my use of the word “all.”
JA Konrath
August 10, 2010 @ 6:37 pm
I’m staggered that you find it necessary to treat us as enemies.
If you want to argue against my points or opinions, fine.
If you want to devolve an argument to a degree of percentages that aren’t a necessary part of the argument, I think it’s silly. Especially when I’m getting called on incorrect stats that currently seem correct.
There are a lot of folks who really, deeply, truly resent me and what I’m doing. If I overreacted, it’s knee-jerk, and I apologize. I seem to be defending myself a lot lately. Which is odd, when you consider my intent.
Natalie J. Damschroder
August 10, 2010 @ 7:04 pm
A mish-mash of thoughts on this topic:
I believe publishing is in upheaval that will lead to tremendous change. I believe e-books will continue to grow and grow and grow, ad infinitum. I believe self-publishing, as easy an inexpensive as it now is, has become a suddenly more viable and positive option for authors, and I intend to try it, just to see how it goes. Making a little money is better than making none.
But it’s odd. Every so often in these discussions, someone makes a statement that implies that e-publishing is new, just because of the recent onslaught of e-book readers. Some of us, in fact, have been published in e-book format since 1997 (2000 in my particular case) or even earlier. The “revolution is here!” cry has been heard constantly for 13 years. E-book sales have increased from .1% of total revenues to 2/3/10/12/whatever percent (depending on what kinds of books are being measured and by whom, which of course makes the actual percentage meaningless). Hardly enough to justify calling it revolution.
E-books are not new. There are innovations in the market that will help boost e-book sales, hopefully significantly, but there is no reason to believe that print books will disappear (most e-publishers also publish the majority of their books in print, too) or that self-publishing will take over the entire industry in a sudden wave. I expect a far more complicated result.
What I believe will happen is far closer to what is happening to the television industry than the music industry, as a comparison. Some people watch TV live, some DVR it, some watch online at the network website or another website, some download to iTunes. Similarly, some people love e-books, some love print, and some are hybrids and love both. Coexistence and variety are the present and the future, not wholesale change from one thing to another. And I think that’s excellent.
Jim C. Hines
August 10, 2010 @ 7:11 pm
“With out of date figures. And then you jumped on me for being incorrect, when you were incorrect.”
Yes … my April figures were, in your words, “waaaay out of date.” If only I could have found current numbers like you did, from May.
Seriously?
“They still think the old model works. It makes no sense to me. You seem to think it still makes sense.”
It makes sense for me. I make between $25K and $50K a year from my writing. I recognize that you make more, and that’s great. I think it’s awesome that you’ve been able to succeed with your writing. I also believe that, given the choice between signing with a major publisher and trying to imitate your path, most people are going to be far more successful with the former choice. Not all, but most.
“The industry is changing. I believe our mentality should change with it.”
I agree with you. But I also think if you want to continue being a prophet of the New Publishing, you need to stop being sloppy with your claims.
JA Konrath
August 10, 2010 @ 7:20 pm
Other people call me a prophet. I never said I was.
But I have been pretty on target predicting the last 18 months.
Ignore it at your peril.
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August 10, 2010 @ 9:30 pm
[…] The reality is: more and more people are buying e-books. It’s easy to upload your book to a site like Smashwords for free. Pro authors like JA Konrath are riding the wave and doing very well, even going so far as to turn down print publication offers in order to self-publish electronically. Konrath’s enthusiasm for this Brave New World of publishing is contagious, and he has a large following and (of course) his skeptics. […]
Steve Buchheit
August 10, 2010 @ 10:02 pm
Well, to paraphrase every mutual fund investment brochure out there, one quarter does not a trend make.
So, lets see. In 1 quarter we go from 3-4 to 8-10 percent. I wonder what happened in that quarter? Like maybe the introduction of a major player’s device with pent-up demand that sold some 4 million units which also cause the existing front leader to slash prices, which also met demand (I’m assuming since said company doesn’t release sales numbers for their device).
So, 4 million plus new devices on the market that can behave as ebook readers. I wonder what all those people did with their new devices?
I can’t take credit for this idea. It was thrown out by a Big Name Editor for one of those dead tree publications at a panel I attended last month. So, you know, they might be biased.
It’ll be interesting to see where the numbers are in 4Qtr CY 2010 (ie. Christmas shopping season). 1Qtr CY2011 should also be a good quarter for ebooks, as everybody who got readers for the holiday’s buy their experimental books for their new devices.
And frankly, from a few percentage points the numbers could only go up, or the format dies. Those were the only two options. So the major questions are where will the market settle (10 years after the “digital download revolution” on music, 60% of unit sales are still physical media), and will that number be high enough to make the industry (it may be a cottage industry, but it’s still an industry) profitable.
David Derrico
August 10, 2010 @ 11:38 pm
I’ve been studying e-book sales and trends for a while now, and have been blogging about them as well (Mr. Konrath posted a link to one of my posts). He is correct that e-books currently account for 8-10% of book sales. Those 3% numbers weren’t from April — they were posted in April but were 2009 numbers. Since e-book sales are doubling and tripling each year, last year’s stats are an eternity old. Hachette and Simon & Schuster both said e-books were 8% of their Q1, 2010 revenue. Several major publishers have confirmed these numbers, and have said they expect e-books to account for 10% of their 2010 sales.
http://www.davidderrico.com/tag/sales/
As for Apple, they’re not making as big an impact on e-book sales as you might think. In fact, they’re a negligible portion of e-book sales: probably between 1% and 5%. Amazon is still the dominant player, with 70-80% of e-book sales. And it’s not all people reading on iPads: 80% of Amazon’s sales are to people who own Kindles.
http://www.davidderrico.com/e-book-market-share-amazon-at-75/
One other point, Konrath’s sales are certainly the high end of the bell curve. But I’m a nobody, with no previous NY publishing pedigree. And I sold over 6,000 e-books in the first 6 months of this year. I’m not making it rich, but I’ll do better than that $5,000 average NY advance figure this year. And, since most people agree that e-books will continue to increase their market share, hopefully 2011 will look even brighter.
Of course, it’s far from easy, and I’ve worked very hard on my novels and the editing and proofreading and e-book formatting and the covers and blogging and more. I’m sure most self-published novels don’t do very well at all. And while I’m probably doing better than most, it’s still worse than minimum wage. =)
Jim C. Hines
August 11, 2010 @ 8:08 am
Hi David,
Amazon definitely still seems to be leading the pack in electronic sales, though I’d take some of their claims with a grain of salt.
Congratulations on the success of your book! That’s awesome. It definitely sounds like you’ve done a lot of work, and it’s paying off. Any thoughts on the most important things you’ve done to earn that success?
Steven Saus
August 11, 2010 @ 12:39 pm
@David (re the “hand grenade in salad” which is a wonderful image!): Ultimately, the quality will doom (or not) those publishers. There’s a big difference between just offering imprint licenses up for sale and vetting those who want to buy the imprint.
I actually think the latter isn’t a horrible idea – save that it violates Yog’s Law. If it was points on net for the imprint, that would be fine.
It would work like this: I approach, say, Tor (because their name is short and I’m on my lunch break!) to get their imprint on my self-published novel. They love it, think it fits with the work they’ve “imprinted”. I sell it, and they get a percentage cut for the publicity/imprint. My buddy Bob wrote a crappy story that’s Heinlein with the names filed off, and they turn it down because they don’t want to be associated with crap.
That solves both getting the book in front of an audience and the “gatekeeper” quality problem.
I’ve definitely seen crappier proposals.
steve davidson
August 11, 2010 @ 1:28 pm
I’ll also note that somewhere in the mainstream press and/or on other publishing related blogs, the Amazon data comparing e-book sales to real book sales have been largely denounced as self-serving and marketing hype. I believe, if I remember correctly, that the question asked as “ahhh, but to what set of real book sales – new releases, hardbacks, etc.) If I can find the link, I’ll add it in here, but I’m sure someone involved in the discussion has probably already found it.
Beth C.
August 11, 2010 @ 1:33 pm
I guess I don’t understand the all-or-nothing philosophy that so many seem to have with regards to paper vs. plastic 🙂 I am an avid reader, and have been for years. I initially thought I’d “never” be interested in one of the new e-readers – until I got my hands on one. Then I realized how incredible it was to not need to fill my suitcase with books instead of clothes for the times I wasn’t sure what I might want to read next.
Anyway, I have a Kindle. But just because I enjoy using my Kindle DOES NOT mean that I am no longer purchasing “regular” books now either! I still purchase paper books – primarily in a few categories: books for my children, books that I *know* are meaningful to me for one reason or another, or books for a collection. As an example, I am currently collecting the Powell’s Indiespensible books that come out every couple of months…and yes, I read them.
To me, there is too much talk of one *over* the other, rather than how they can work together to complement each other. Unfortunately, the publishers have had a large part to play in this. Like many, I am fuming over the Publisher’s Model they have implemented, and will refuse to pay over $10 for any book. It goes on a wish-list until the price goes down, or I buy a used copy to avoid giving the publisher my money for their highway robbery.
Are publishers hurting themselves and their customers (and, by extension, their authors)? Absolutely. Are they still a valuable part of publishing, provided they can get their heads out of their butts? Certainly. I look forward to a day when the talk is no longer why one is better and needs to take over, but how they can complement each other in so many different ways and how they can be used to take advantage of that.
steve davidson
August 11, 2010 @ 2:09 pm
beth, it’s easy to understand the “all or nothing” position.
I’ve had a chance to check out ebook readers and they do nothing for me. I have no problems packing an extra suitcase to carry them on trips. In fact, I usually bring an extra carry bag ON the trip to fill up with books I find while traveling.
I spend ALL DAY in front of the computer, reading, writing and editing. I do not watch TV (unless forced to do so) and I consider it to mark the end of my ‘day’ when I can lie down and read a real book, feel the paper between my fingers, enjoy the heft – even enjoy waking up because I just dropped it on my face.
I do not ever expect to stem the tide, but to me, the switch over is another symptom of the “enabling” electronic society we are living in. The real world ended when they put a picture of fries on the cash register at McDonalds so that folks who can’t read could still work there.
The same goes for self-publishing (whether you are successful monetarily at it or not): “enabling” where it is a substitute for hard work, patience and sacrifice is yet another way that we lower the common denominator, approaching the point where the only thing that will sell is “crap”, because the market has become conditioned and the only thing anyone will invest money in is “crap” that is guaranteed to sell.
Some things SHOULD be hard, and art is one of them. (We’ll never see a movie like Casablanca in the theaters again – films that make you think and work to follow a story just don’t appeal to mindless audiences – instead we get blockbusters like ‘Dumb and Dumber’ that celebrate! stupidity.)
Clearly, this is not MY world any more.
Steve Buchheit
August 11, 2010 @ 2:17 pm
Because the argument isn’t about “the reader.” The argument is about “Traditional Publishing Is Dead!” That leads to the “one or other, not both” preconcepts.
Beth C.
August 11, 2010 @ 2:36 pm
But that is my point – traditional publishing is not dead and does not have to be so. There are valid arguments on both sides, and publishers certainly have their place. There *is* room for both, and my library will happily attest to that.
Beth C.
August 11, 2010 @ 2:41 pm
Steve, I respectfully disagree. I do not believe that allowing people to self-publish is going to “lower the common denominator”. I believe that crap is published by traditional authors as well – and that traditional publishers, in many ways, look for what is going to sell rather that what might truly be a great story. You’re just as likely to get crap on both sides of the aisle, not just self-publishing. I also believe that the “crap” you refer to will be read by some, but will be just as likely to be outed as such by others, allowing people who are truly looking for a terrific story to find it – regardless of how it was published.
David Derrico
August 11, 2010 @ 4:09 pm
Sure, Amazon used some clever wording and is pretty secretive when it comes to hardware sales — I’m sure they have their reasons (some say it’s to catch other companies flat-footed, like when B&N ran out of Nook stock over the holidays). But they’ve given some pretty firm numbers on e-book market share, and by parsing all the data (including Apple’s misleading statements on “downloads” that probably include freebies), I’m pretty confident that Amazon’s share is in the 70-80% range.
Thank you! I have put in a lot of work; I hope nobody hits that “Publish” button thinking it’s a path to easy or sure riches — it is definitely neither. But (getting back to the point of your post), the traditional publishing route is neither easy nor likely to be financially lucrative either. Even most trad-pubbed authors have day jobs. But, today, going it alone makes more sense for more people than ever before — although it’s still not for everyone: you need to be willing to work hard, take risks, and either have the skill and time to do lots of disparate jobs yourself (cover design, editing/proofreading, formatting, web design/blogging, promotion, etc.), or be willing to pay others out of your own pocket to help. But Konrath and others are proving it IS a legitimate option, something to at least consider alongside the traditional publishing route. And I think most would agree that the self-publishing option looks better and better over time, as e-book market share increases and traditional publishers are in more and more financial trouble. Bottom line: big publishers have huge advantages in the print world (economies of scale, distribution, etc.), but those advantages often turn into disadvantages in the e-book world, as their overhead and reliance on print cause them to resist e-books, overprice, delay releases, block TTS, embrace invasive DRM, etc. And their distribution advantage is mostly nullified when my e-books are available worldwide on the virtual shelves of Amazon, B&N, Apple, Kobo, and Sony.
To answer your last question: I think the most important factors to earning success as a writer are to write a good book, edit and proofread it fanatically, design a good cover and write a good description, do your research (on writing, formatting, promotion, and the business end of publishing), and spend time becoming a member (not just a spammer) of various online communities.
steve davidson
August 11, 2010 @ 4:24 pm
lol – there’s room for both until you can’t charge your batteries anymore, but by then we’ll have lost the art of printing, so it will look like a race to the finish line, going backwards.
Beth, I am entirely aware that I was voicing a personal view and that one person’s crap is another persons (smelly) diamond.
Everyone looks for what will sell as their mission is to turn a profit. However, current circumstances allow producers to appeal to a much wider market now and they have all discovered that the bigger the market, the greater their sales. Quality across the board has suffered – one only need walk into WalMart to know this.
Spend some time with the young uns these days and you’ll see the opposite side of the coin – the sense of entitlement. They are ‘owed’ a whatever (be it a video game or having their book published).
Genre conventions are another example: there used to be a time when something like Dragon*Con would never have made it – fans would have shunned the commercialism (and did and do), so instead the producers go and appeal to non-fans, water everything down (so that now the big appeal is waiting on line to get an autograph from some actor) and everyone else thinks that it’s a “great marketing opportunity”.
There used to be a concept that if it couldn’t be done right, it wasn’t worth doing – or was at least worth waiting for the time when it could be done right. Now no one seems to care, since they’ve figured out that if they spend as much on the advertising bushwah as they do on the product itself, they’ll make their money back.
Go look at so-called “reviews” on the web. None of the mass appeal “reviewers” are saying anything substantial (you have to dig to find the under-trafficked sites for that) – instead all they say is ‘way cool, go read’ (or worse yet – it’s just like the video game!).
My perspective is over a half-century though, so YMMV. It’s not anti-new fangled gizmo, it’s anti the way the new fangled gizmos are being used. For the most part, the way I see it, instead of being used by those who can to improve things, they are being used by many who shouldn’t.
heteromeles
August 11, 2010 @ 5:14 pm
Since I happen to like The Black Swan, my take on all of this is:
I don’t want to know about where the #1 writer is, I want to know how steeply the curve falls off for the next 10,000 authors.
See, someone has to be #1, and to make a system viable, #1 has to be making a living at that.
Do we follow #1’s advice (hey it works for me? Try it and you’ll be like me). Well, only if something similar worked for #2-#100. Then you know the advice works. If the #2 author in a field also has to work a day job to make her modest living expenses, #1 is a fluke, and the drop-off on that curve is too steep for me to want to play.
If the #10,000 author is happy with the money he’s making, then it’s a good market.
And that’s assuming that everyone is being transparent with their numbers, which is a problematic assumption right there.
As for e-books: I still want one with a solar panel and hand crank before I’m going to bury print media. But that’s a post for another topic.
jim duncan
August 12, 2010 @ 12:17 am
I’d like to think that print isn’t dead and never will be. I happen to really like physical books. I also like the convenience of ebooks, though for me, I’m very rarely in a situation where having an ereader would be useful, thus they’re not worth the investment. Give us a generation growing up on ereaders and we’ll see where the scales will finally balance out. I also love bookstores. It just gives me a great feeling to be in one. You can’t get that shopping online. I honestly do not like looking for books online. I appreciate reviews and those who take time to do good reviewing (fewer and far between these days it seems), but I’ll take word of mouth from people I know and physically browsing a bookstore to find things I want to read.
The point of all this is that people read for different reasons in different ways and like different things. Ebooks won’t take over. They will certainly dominate a specific market of readership and perhaps that market will continue to grow over the years as children grow up doing most of their reading digitally. This would make me rather sad. There’s something to be said for the physical book and browsing in bookstores and such. It offers a very different experience and appreciation for books and stories that you can’t get digitally. It’s not always about the convenience to read and buy whenever you want, though that has it’s place too.
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